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Cope with data-offset-less archive files during out-of-order restores.
- 71e8e66f783c 13.0 landed
- f009591d6edd 14.0 landed
- 66232220ee6e 12.4 landed
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Remove manual tracking of file position in pg_dump/pg_backup_custom.c.
- 447cf2f8e9dc 13.0 landed
- a8d0732ac2b5 14.0 landed
- 39a068ce6675 12.4 landed
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Improve performance of tuple conversion map generation
- 42f70cd9c3db 12.0 cited
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Fix pg_restore so parallel restore doesn't fail when the input file doesn't
- b779ea8a9a2d 9.0.0 cited
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Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
David Gilman <davidgilman1@gmail.com> — 2020-05-16T20:57:46Z
If pg_dump can't seek on its output stream when writing a dump in the custom archive format (possibly because you piped its stdout to a file) it can't update that file with data offsets. These files will often break parallel restoration. Warn when the user is doing pg_restore on such a file to give them a hint as to why their restore is about to fail. The documentation for pg_restore -j is also updated to suggest that you dump custom archive formats with the -f option. --- doc/src/sgml/ref/pg_restore.sgml | 9 +++++++++ src/bin/pg_dump/pg_backup_custom.c | 8 ++++++++ 2 files changed, 17 insertions(+)
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Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com> — 2020-05-19T13:07:40Z
On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 04:57:46PM -0400, David Gilman wrote: > If pg_dump can't seek on its output stream when writing a dump in the > custom archive format (possibly because you piped its stdout to a file) > it can't update that file with data offsets. These files will often > break parallel restoration. Warn when the user is doing pg_restore on > such a file to give them a hint as to why their restore is about to > fail. You didn't say so, but I gather this is related to this other thread (which seems to represent two separate issues). https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/1582010626326-0.post%40n3.nabble.com#0891d77011cdb6ca3ad8ab7904a2ed63 > Tom, if you or anyone else with PostgreSQL would appreciate the > pg_dump file I can send it to you out of band, it's only a few > megabytes. I have pg_restore with debug symbols too if you want me to > try anything. Would you send to me or post a link to a filesharing site and I'll try to reproduce it ? So far no luck. You should include here your diagnosis from that thread, or add it to a commit message, and mention the suspect commit (548e50976). Eventually add patch for the next commitfest. https://commitfest.postgresql.org/ I guess you're also involved in this conversation: https://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/257398/pg-restore-with-jobs-flag-results-in-pg-restore-error-a-worker-process-di -- Justin
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Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com> — 2020-05-20T03:26:57Z
I started fooling with this at home while our ISP is broke (pardon my brevity). Maybe you also saw commit b779ea8a9a2dc3a089b3ac152b1ec4568bfeb26f "Fix pg_restore so parallel restore doesn't fail when the input file doesn't contain data offsets (which it won't, if pg_dump thought its output wasn't seekable)..." ...which I guess should actually say "doesn't NECESSARILY fail", since it also adds this comment: "This could fail if we are asked to restore items out-of-order." So this is a known issue and not a regression. I think the PG11 commit you mentioned (548e5097) happens to make some databases fail in parallel restore that previously worked (I didn't check). Possibly also some databases (or some pre-existing dumps) which used to fail might possibly now succeed. Your patch adds a warning if unseekable output might fail during parallel restore. I'm not opposed to that, but can we just make pg_restore work in that case? If the input is unseekable, then we can never do a parallel restore at all. If it *is* seekable, could we make _PrintTocData rewind if it gets to EOF using ftello(SEEK_SET, 0) and re-scan again from the beginning? Would you want to try that ?
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Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
David Gilman <davidgilman1@gmail.com> — 2020-05-20T12:55:23Z
Your understanding of the issue is mostly correct: > I think the PG11 > commit you mentioned (548e5097) happens to make some databases fail in > parallel restore that previously worked (I didn't check). Correct, if you do the bisect around that yourself you'll see pg_restore start failing with the expected "possibly due to out-of-order restore request" on offset-less dumps. It is a known issue but it's only documented in code comments, not anywhere user facing, which is sending people to StackOverflow. > If the input is unseekable, then we can > never do a parallel restore at all. I don't know if this is strictly true. Imagine the case of a database dump of a single large table with a few indexes, so simple enough that everything in the file is going to be in restore order. It might seem silly to parallel restore a single table but remember that pg_restore also creates indexes in parallel and on a typical development workstation with a few CPU cores and an SSD it'll be a substantial improvement. There are probably some other corner cases where you can get lucky with the offset-less dump and it'll work. That's why my gut instinct was to warn instead of fail. > If it *is* seekable, could we > make _PrintTocData rewind if it gets to EOF using ftello(SEEK_SET, 0) > and re-scan again from the beginning? Would you want to try that ? I will try this and report back. I will also see if I can get an strace. -- David Gilman :DG<
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Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2020-05-20T14:48:30Z
David Gilman <davidgilman1@gmail.com> writes: >> I think the PG11 >> commit you mentioned (548e5097) happens to make some databases fail in >> parallel restore that previously worked (I didn't check). > Correct, if you do the bisect around that yourself you'll see > pg_restore start failing with the expected "possibly due to > out-of-order restore request" on offset-less dumps. Yeah. Now, the whole point of that patch was to decouple the restore order from the dump order ... but with an offset-less dump file, we can't do that, or at least the restore order is greatly constrained. I wonder if it'd be sensible for pg_restore to use a different parallel scheduling algorithm if it notices that the input lacks offsets. (There could still be some benefit from parallelism, just not as much.) No idea if this is going to be worth the trouble, but it probably is worth looking into. regards, tom lane
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Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
David Gilman <davidgilman1@gmail.com> — 2020-05-21T03:05:01Z
I did some more digging. To keep everyone on the same page there are four different ways to order TOCs: 1. topological order, 2. dataLength order, size of the table, is always zero when pg_dump can't seek, 3. dumpId order, which should be thought as random but roughly correlates to topological order to make things fun, 4. file order, the order that tables are physically stored in the custom dump file. Without being able to seek backwards a parallel restore of the custom dump archive format has to be ordered by #1 and #4. The reference counting that reduce_dependencies does inside of the parallel restore logic upholds ordering #1. Unfortunately, 548e50976ce changed TocEntrySizeCompare (which is used to break ties within #1) to order by #2, then by #3. This most often breaks on dumps written by pg_dump without seeks (everything has a dataLength of zero) as it then falls back to #3 ordering every time. But, because nothing in pg_restore does any ordering by #4 you could potentially run into this with any custom dump so I think it's a regression. For some troubleshooting I changed ready_list_sort to never call qsort. This fixes the problem by never ordering by #3, leaving things in #4 order, but breaks the new algorithm introduced in 548e50976ce. I did what Justin suggested earlier and it works great. Parallel restore requires seekable input (enforced elsewhere) so everyone's parallel restores should work again. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:48 AM Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > > David Gilman <davidgilman1@gmail.com> writes: > >> I think the PG11 > >> commit you mentioned (548e5097) happens to make some databases fail in > >> parallel restore that previously worked (I didn't check). > > > Correct, if you do the bisect around that yourself you'll see > > pg_restore start failing with the expected "possibly due to > > out-of-order restore request" on offset-less dumps. > > Yeah. Now, the whole point of that patch was to decouple the restore > order from the dump order ... but with an offset-less dump file, we > can't do that, or at least the restore order is greatly constrained. > I wonder if it'd be sensible for pg_restore to use a different parallel > scheduling algorithm if it notices that the input lacks offsets. > (There could still be some benefit from parallelism, just not as much.) > No idea if this is going to be worth the trouble, but it probably > is worth looking into. > > regards, tom lane -- David Gilman :DG<
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Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
David Gilman <davidgilman1@gmail.com> — 2020-05-23T19:54:30Z
I've rounded this patch out with a test and I've set up the commitfest website for this thread. The latest patches are attached and I think they are ready for review. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:05 PM David Gilman <davidgilman1@gmail.com> wrote: > > I did some more digging. To keep everyone on the same page there are > four different ways to order TOCs: > > 1. topological order, > 2. dataLength order, size of the table, is always zero when pg_dump can't seek, > 3. dumpId order, which should be thought as random but roughly > correlates to topological order to make things fun, > 4. file order, the order that tables are physically stored in the > custom dump file. > > Without being able to seek backwards a parallel restore of the custom > dump archive format has to be ordered by #1 and #4. The reference > counting that reduce_dependencies does inside of the parallel restore > logic upholds ordering #1. Unfortunately, 548e50976ce changed > TocEntrySizeCompare (which is used to break ties within #1) to order > by #2, then by #3. This most often breaks on dumps written by pg_dump > without seeks (everything has a dataLength of zero) as it then falls > back to #3 ordering every time. But, because nothing in pg_restore > does any ordering by #4 you could potentially run into this with any > custom dump so I think it's a regression. > > For some troubleshooting I changed ready_list_sort to never call > qsort. This fixes the problem by never ordering by #3, leaving things > in #4 order, but breaks the new algorithm introduced in 548e50976ce. > > I did what Justin suggested earlier and it works great. Parallel > restore requires seekable input (enforced elsewhere) so everyone's > parallel restores should work again. > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:48 AM Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > > > > David Gilman <davidgilman1@gmail.com> writes: > > >> I think the PG11 > > >> commit you mentioned (548e5097) happens to make some databases fail in > > >> parallel restore that previously worked (I didn't check). > > > > > Correct, if you do the bisect around that yourself you'll see > > > pg_restore start failing with the expected "possibly due to > > > out-of-order restore request" on offset-less dumps. > > > > Yeah. Now, the whole point of that patch was to decouple the restore > > order from the dump order ... but with an offset-less dump file, we > > can't do that, or at least the restore order is greatly constrained. > > I wonder if it'd be sensible for pg_restore to use a different parallel > > scheduling algorithm if it notices that the input lacks offsets. > > (There could still be some benefit from parallelism, just not as much.) > > No idea if this is going to be worth the trouble, but it probably > > is worth looking into. > > > > regards, tom lane > > > > -- > David Gilman > :DG< -- David Gilman :DG<
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Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com> — 2020-05-23T22:47:51Z
On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 03:54:30PM -0400, David Gilman wrote: > I've rounded this patch out with a test and I've set up the commitfest > website for this thread. The latest patches are attached and I think > they are ready for review. Thanks. https://commitfest.postgresql.org/28/2568/ I'm not sure this will be considered a bugfix, since the behavior is known. Maybe eligible for backpatch though (?) Your patch was encoded, so this is failing: http://cfbot.cputube.org/david-gilman.html Ideally CFBOT would deal with that (maybe by using git-am - adding Thomas), but I think you sent using gmail web interface, which also reordered the patches. (CFBOT *does* sort them, but it's a known annoyance). > dump file was written with data offsets pg_restore can seek directly to offsets COMMA > pg_restore would only find the TOC if it happened to be immediately "immediately" is wrong, no ? I thought the problem was if we seeked to D and then looked for C, we wouldn't attempt to go backwards. > read request only when restoring a custom dump file without data offsets. remove "only" > of a bunch of extra tiny reads when pg_restore starts up. I would have thought to mention the seeks() ; but it's true that the read()s now grow quadratically. I did run a test, but I don't know how many objects would be unreasonable or how many it'd take to show a problem. Maybe we should avoid fseeko(0, SEEK_SET) unless we need to wrap around after EOF - I'm not sure. Maybe the cleanest way would be to pre-populate a structure with all the TOC data and loop around that instead of seeking around the file ? Can we use the same structure as pg_dump ? Otherwise, that makes me think of commit 42f70cd9c. Make it's not a good parallel or example for this case, though. + The custom archive format may not work with the <option>-j</option> + option if the archive was originally created by writing the archive + to an unseekable output file. For the best concurrent restoration Can I suggest something like: pg_restore with parallel jobs may fail if the archive dump was written to an unseekable output stream, like stdout. + * If the input file can't be seeked we're at the mercy of the seeked COMMA >Subject: [PATCH 3/3] Add integration test for out-of-order TOC requests in pg_restore Well done - thanks for that. >Also add undocumented --disable-seeking argument to pg_dump to emulate >writing to an unseekable output file. Remove "also". Is it possible to dump to stdout (or pipe to cat or dd) to avoid a new option ? Maybe that would involve changing the test process to use the shell (system() vs execve()), or maybe you could write: /* sh handles output redirection and arg splitting */ 'sh', '-c', 'pg_dump -Fc -Z6 --no-sync --disable-seeking postgres > $tempdir/defaults_custom_format_no_seek_parallel_restore.dump', But I think that would need to then separately handle WIN32, so maybe it's not worth it.
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Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
David Gilman <dgilman@gilslotd.com> — 2020-05-25T18:54:29Z
Updated patches are attached, I ditched the gmail web interface so hopefully this works. Not mentioned in Justin's feedback: I dropped the extra sort in the test as it's no longer necessary. I also added a parallel dump -> parallel restore -> dump test run for the directory format to get some free test coverage. On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 05:47:51PM -0500, Justin Pryzby wrote: > I'm not sure this will be considered a bugfix, since the behavior is known. > Maybe eligible for backpatch though (?) I'm not familiar with how your release management works, but I'm personally fine with whatever version you can get it into. I urge you to try landing this as soon as possible. The minimum reproducible example in the test case is very minimal and I imagine all real world databases are going to trigger this. > I would have thought to mention the seeks() ; but it's true that the read()s now > grow quadratically. I did run a test, but I don't know how many objects would > be unreasonable or how many it'd take to show a problem. And I misunderstood how bad it was. I thought it was reading little header structs off the disk but it's actually reading the entire table (see _skipData). So you're quadratically rereading entire tables and thrashing your cache. Oops. > Maybe we should avoid fseeko(0, SEEK_SET) unless we need to wrap around after > EOF - I'm not sure. The seek location is already the location of the end of the last good object so just adding wraparound gives the good algorithmic performance from the technique in commit 42f70cd9c. I’ve gone ahead and implemented this. > Is it possible to dump to stdout (or pipe to cat or dd) to avoid a new option ? The underlying IPC::Run code seems to support piping in a cross-platform way. I am not a Perl master though and after spending an evening trying to get it to work I went with this approach. If you can put me in touch with anyone to help me out here I'd appreciate it. -- David Gilman :DG< https://gilslotd.com
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Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
David Gilman <dgilman@gilslotd.com> — 2020-05-25T21:55:26Z
The earlier patches weren't applying because I had "git config diff.noprefix true" set globally and that was messing up the git format-patch output. On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 01:54:29PM -0500, David Gilman wrote: > And I misunderstood how bad it was. I thought it was reading little > header structs off the disk but it's actually reading the entire table > (see _skipData). So you're quadratically rereading entire tables and > thrashing your cache. Oops. I changed _skipData to fseeko() instead of fread() when possible to cut down on this thrashing further. -- David Gilman :DG< https://gilslotd.com
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Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
David Gilman <dgilman@gilslotd.com> — 2020-05-28T00:33:47Z
I've attached the latest patches after further review from Justin Pryzby. -- David Gilman :DG< https://gilslotd.com
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Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com> — 2020-06-13T22:51:21Z
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 01:54:29PM -0500, David Gilman wrote: > > Is it possible to dump to stdout (or pipe to cat or dd) to avoid a new option ? > > The underlying IPC::Run code seems to support piping in a cross-platform > way. I am not a Perl master though and after spending an evening trying > to get it to work I went with this approach. If you can put me in touch > with anyone to help me out here I'd appreciate it. I think you can do what's needed like so: --- a/src/bin/pg_dump/t/002_pg_dump.pl +++ b/src/bin/pg_dump/t/002_pg_dump.pl @@ -152,10 +152,13 @@ my %pgdump_runs = ( }, defaults_custom_format_no_seek_parallel_restore => { test_key => 'defaults', - dump_cmd => [ - 'pg_dump', '-Fc', '-Z6', '--no-sync', '--disable-seeking', + dump_cmd => ( + [ + 'pg_dump', '-Fc', '-Z6', '--no-sync', "--file=$tempdir/defaults_custom_format_no_seek_parallel_restore.dump", 'postgres', - ], + ], + "|", [ "cat" ], # disable seeking + ), Also, these are failing intermittently: t/002_pg_dump.pl .............. 1649/6758 # Failed test 'defaults_custom_format_no_seek_parallel_restore: should dump GRANT SELECT (proname ...) ON TABLE pg_proc TO public' # at t/002_pg_dump.pl line 3635. # Review defaults_custom_format_no_seek_parallel_restore results in /var/lib/pgsql/postgresql.src/src/bin/pg_dump/tmp_check/tmp_test_NqRC t/002_pg_dump.pl .............. 2060/6758 # Failed test 'defaults_dir_format_parallel: should dump GRANT SELECT (proname ...) ON TABLE pg_proc TO public' # at t/002_pg_dump.pl line 3635. # Review defaults_dir_format_parallel results in /var/lib/pgsql/postgresql.src/src/bin/pg_dump/tmp_check/tmp_test_NqRC If you can address those, I think this will be "ready for committer". -- Justin -
Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2020-07-02T21:25:21Z
David Gilman <dgilman@gilslotd.com> writes: > I've attached the latest patches after further review from Justin Pryzby. I guess I'm completely confused about the purpose of these patches. Far from coping with the situation of an unseekable file, they appear to change pg_restore so that it fails altogether if it can't seek its input file. Why would we want to do this? regards, tom lane
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Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
David Gilman <dgilman@gilslotd.com> — 2020-07-08T03:19:35Z
On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 05:25:21PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > I guess I'm completely confused about the purpose of these patches. > Far from coping with the situation of an unseekable file, they appear > to change pg_restore so that it fails altogether if it can't seek > its input file. Why would we want to do this? I'm not sure where the "fails altogether if it can't seek" is. The "Skip tables in pg_restore" patch retains the old fread() logic. The --disable-seeking stuff was just to support tests, and thanks to help from Justin Pryzby the tests no longer require it. I've attached the updated patch set. Note that this still shouldn't be merged because of Justin's bug report in 20200706050129.GW4107@telsasoft.com which is unrelated to this change but will leave you with flaky CI until it's fixed. -- David Gilman :DG< https://gilslotd.com
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Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2020-07-12T19:57:58Z
David Gilman <dgilman@gilslotd.com> writes: > On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 05:25:21PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: >> I guess I'm completely confused about the purpose of these patches. >> Far from coping with the situation of an unseekable file, they appear >> to change pg_restore so that it fails altogether if it can't seek >> its input file. Why would we want to do this? > I'm not sure where the "fails altogether if it can't seek" is. I misread the patch, is where :-( As penance, I spent some time studying this patchset, and have a few comments: 1. The proposed doc change in 0001 seems out-of-date; isn't it adding a warning about exactly the deficiency that the rest of the patch is eliminating? Note that the preceding para already says that the input has to be seekable, so that's covered. Maybe there is reason for documenting that parallel restore will be slower if the archive was written in a non-seekable way ... but that's not what this says. 2. It struck me that the patch is still pretty inefficient, in that anytime it has to back up in an offset-less archive, it blindly rewinds to dataStart and rescans everything. In the worst case that'd still be O(N^2) work, and it's really not necessary, because once we've seen a given data block we know where it is. We just have to remember that, which seems easy enough. (Well, on Windows it's a bit trickier because the state in question is shared across threads; but that's good, it might save some work.) 3. Extending on #2, we actually don't need the rewind and retry logic at all. If we are looking for a block we haven't already seen, and we get to the end of the archive, it ain't there. (This is a bit less obvious in the Windows case than otherwise, but I think it's still true, given that the start state is either "all offsets known" or "no offsets known". A particular thread might skip over some blocks on the strength of an offset established by another thread, but the blocks ahead of that spot must now all have known offsets.) 4. Patch 0002 seems mighty expensive for the amount of code coverage it's adding. On my machine it seems to raise the overall runtime of pg_dump's "make installcheck" by about 10%, and the only new coverage is of the few lines added here. I wonder if we couldn't cover that more cheaply by testing what happens when we use a "-L" option with an intentionally mis-sorted restore list. 5. I'm inclined to reject 0003. It's not saving anything very meaningful, and we'd just have to put the code back whenever somebody gets around to making pg_backup_tar.c capable of out-of-order restores like pg_backup_custom.c is now able to do. The attached 0001 rewrites your 0001 as per the above ideas (dropping the proposed doc change for now), and includes your 0004 for simplicity. I'm including your 0002 verbatim just so the cfbot will be able to do a meaningful test on 0001; but as stated, I don't really want to commit it. regards, tom lane
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Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2020-07-15T20:40:59Z
I wrote: > The attached 0001 rewrites your 0001 as per the above ideas (dropping > the proposed doc change for now), and includes your 0004 for simplicity. > I'm including your 0002 verbatim just so the cfbot will be able to do a > meaningful test on 0001; but as stated, I don't really want to commit it. I spent some more time testing this, by trying to dump and restore the core regression database. I immediately noticed that I sometimes got "ftell mismatch with expected position -- ftell used" warnings, though it was a bit variable depending on the -j level. The reason was fairly apparent on looking at the code: we had various fseeko() calls in code paths that did not bother to correct ctx->filePos afterwards. In fact, *none* of the four existing fseeko calls in pg_backup_custom.c did so. It's fairly surprising that that hadn't caused a problem up to now. I started to add adjustments of ctx->filePos after all the fseeko calls, but then began to wonder why we don't just rip the variable out entirely. The only places where we need it are to set dataPos for data blocks, but that's an entirely pointless activity if we don't have seek capability, because we're not going to be able to rewrite the TOC to emit the updated values. Hence, the 0000 patch attached rips out ctx->filePos, and then 0001 is the currently-discussed patch rebased on that. I also added an additional refinement, which is to track the furthest point we've scanned to while looking for data blocks in an offset-less file. If we have seek capability, then when we need to resume looking for data blocks we can search forward from that spot rather than wherever we happened to have stopped at. This fixes an additional source of potentially-O(N^2) behavior if we have to restore blocks in a very out-of-order fashion. I'm not sure that it makes much difference in common cases, but with this we can say positively that we don't scan the same block more than once per worker process. I'm still unhappy about the proposed test case (0002), but now I have a more concrete reason for that: it didn't catch this bug, so the coverage is still pretty miserable. Dump-and-restore-the-regression-database used to be a pretty common manual test for pg_dump, but we never got around to automating it, possibly because we figured that the pg_upgrade test script covers that ground. It's becoming gruesomely clear that pg_upgrade is a distinct operating mode that doesn't necessarily have the same bugs. So I'm inclined to feel that what we ought to do is automate a test of that sort; but first we'll have to fix the existing bugs described at [1][2]. Given the current state of affairs, I'm inclined to commit the attached with no new test coverage, and then come back and look at better testing after the other bugs are dealt with. regards, tom lane [1] https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/3169466.1594841366%40sss.pgh.pa.us [2] https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/3170626.1594842723%40sss.pgh.pa.us
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Re: Warn when parallel restoring a custom dump without data offsets
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2020-07-17T17:05:54Z
I wrote: > Given the current state of affairs, I'm inclined to commit the > attached with no new test coverage, and then come back and look > at better testing after the other bugs are dealt with. Pushed back to v12. regards, tom lane