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  1. Refuse upgrades from pre-9.0 clusters

  2. pg_resetxlog: add option to set oldest xid & use by pg_upgrade

  3. Stamp 11.2.

  4. Track the current XID wrap limit (or more accurately, the oldest unfrozen

  1. pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Jason Harvey <jason@reddit.com> — 2019-05-20T10:10:17Z

    Hello,
    
    This week I upgraded one of my large(2.8TB), high-volume databases from 9
    to 11. The upgrade itself went fine. About two days later, we unexpectedly
    hit transaction ID wraparound. What was perplexing about this was that the
    age of our oldest `datfrozenxid` was only 1.2 billion - far away from where
    I'd expect a wraparound. Curiously, the wraparound error referred to a
    mysterious database of `OID 0`:
    
    UPDATE ERROR:  database is not accepting commands to avoid wraparound data
    loss in database with OID 0
    
    We were able to recover after a few hours by greatly speeding up our vacuum
    on our largest table.
    
    In a followup investigation I uncovered the reason we hit the wraparound so
    early, and also the cause of the mysterious OID 0 message. When pg_upgrade
    executes, it calls pg_resetwal to set the next transaction ID. Within
    pg_resetwal is the following code:
    https://github.com/postgres/postgres/blob/6cd404b344f7e27f4d64555bb133f18a758fe851/src/bin/pg_resetwal/pg_resetwal.c#L440-L450
    
    This sets the controldata to have a fake database (OID 0) on the brink of
    transaction wraparound. Specifically, after pg_upgrade is ran, wraparound
    will occur within around 140 million transactions (provided the autovacuum
    doesn't finish first). I confirmed by analyzing our controldata before and
    after the upgrade that this was the cause of our early wraparound.
    
    Given the size and heavy volume of our database, we tend to complete a
    vacuum in the time it takes around 250 million transactions to execute.
    With our tunings this tends to be rather safe and we stay well away from
    the wraparound point under normal circumstances.
    
    Unfortunately we had no obvious way of knowing that the upgrade would place
    our database upon the brink of wraparound. In fact, since this info is only
    persisted in the controldata, the only way to discover this state to my
    knowledge would be to inspect the controldata itself. Other standard means
    of monitoring for wraparound risk involve watching `pg_database` or
    `pg_class`, which in this case tells us nothing helpful since the fake
    database present in the controldata is not represented in those stats.
    
    I'd like to suggest that either the pg_upgrade->pg_resetwal behaviour be
    adjusted, or the pg_upgrade documentation highlight this potential
    scenario. I'm happy to contribute code and/or documentation pull requests
    to accomplish this.
    
    Thank you,
    Jason Harvey
    reddit.com
    
  2. Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> — 2019-05-21T22:23:00Z

    On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 3:10 AM Jason Harvey <jason@reddit.com> wrote:
    > This week I upgraded one of my large(2.8TB), high-volume databases from 9 to 11. The upgrade itself went fine. About two days later, we unexpectedly hit transaction ID wraparound. What was perplexing about this was that the age of our oldest `datfrozenxid` was only 1.2 billion - far away from where I'd expect a wraparound. Curiously, the wraparound error referred to a mysterious database of `OID 0`:
    >
    > UPDATE ERROR:  database is not accepting commands to avoid wraparound data loss in database with OID 0
    >
    > We were able to recover after a few hours by greatly speeding up our vacuum on our largest table.
    >
    > In a followup investigation I uncovered the reason we hit the wraparound so early, and also the cause of the mysterious OID 0 message. When pg_upgrade executes, it calls pg_resetwal to set the next transaction ID. Within pg_resetwal is the following code: https://github.com/postgres/postgres/blob/6cd404b344f7e27f4d64555bb133f18a758fe851/src/bin/pg_resetwal/pg_resetwal.c#L440-L450
    >
    > This sets the controldata to have a fake database (OID 0) on the brink of transaction wraparound. Specifically, after pg_upgrade is ran, wraparound will occur within around 140 million transactions (provided the autovacuum doesn't finish first). I confirmed by analyzing our controldata before and after the upgrade that this was the cause of our early wraparound.
    >
    > Given the size and heavy volume of our database, we tend to complete a vacuum in the time it takes around 250 million transactions to execute. With our tunings this tends to be rather safe and we stay well away from the wraparound point under normal circumstances.
    
    This does seem like an unfriendly behavior. Moving the thread over to
    the -hackers list for further discussion...
    
    -- 
    Peter Geoghegan
    
    
    
    
  3. Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com> — 2019-06-15T18:37:59Z

    On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 03:23:00PM -0700, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
    > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 3:10 AM Jason Harvey <jason@reddit.com> wrote:
    > > This week I upgraded one of my large(2.8TB), high-volume databases from 9 to 11. The upgrade itself went fine. About two days later, we unexpectedly hit transaction ID wraparound. What was perplexing about this was that the age of our oldest `datfrozenxid` was only 1.2 billion - far away from where I'd expect a wraparound. Curiously, the wraparound error referred to a mysterious database of `OID 0`:
    > >
    > > UPDATE ERROR:  database is not accepting commands to avoid wraparound data loss in database with OID 0
    
    That's bad.
    
    > > We were able to recover after a few hours by greatly speeding up our vacuum on our largest table.
    
    For what it's worth, a quicker workaround is to VACUUM FREEZE any database,
    however small.  That forces a vac_truncate_clog(), which recomputes the wrap
    point from pg_database.datfrozenxid values.  This demonstrates the workaround:
    
    --- a/src/bin/pg_upgrade/test.sh
    +++ b/src/bin/pg_upgrade/test.sh
    @@ -248,7 +248,10 @@ case $testhost in
     esac
     
     pg_dumpall --no-sync -f "$temp_root"/dump2.sql || pg_dumpall2_status=$?
    +pg_controldata "${PGDATA}"
    +vacuumdb -F template1
     pg_ctl -m fast stop
    +pg_controldata "${PGDATA}"
     
     if [ -n "$pg_dumpall2_status" ]; then
     	echo "pg_dumpall of post-upgrade database cluster failed"
    
    > > In a followup investigation I uncovered the reason we hit the wraparound so early, and also the cause of the mysterious OID 0 message. When pg_upgrade executes, it calls pg_resetwal to set the next transaction ID. Within pg_resetwal is the following code: https://github.com/postgres/postgres/blob/6cd404b344f7e27f4d64555bb133f18a758fe851/src/bin/pg_resetwal/pg_resetwal.c#L440-L450
    
    pg_upgrade should set oldestXID to the same value as the source cluster or set
    it like vac_truncate_clog() would set it.  Today's scheme is usually too
    pessimistic, but it can be too optimistic if the source cluster was on the
    bring of wrap.  Thanks for the report.
    
    
    
    
  4. Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de> — 2021-04-23T23:42:56Z

    Hi,
    
    On 2019-06-15 11:37:59 -0700, Noah Misch wrote:
    > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 03:23:00PM -0700, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
    > > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 3:10 AM Jason Harvey <jason@reddit.com> wrote:
    > > > This week I upgraded one of my large(2.8TB), high-volume databases from 9 to 11. The upgrade itself went fine. About two days later, we unexpectedly hit transaction ID wraparound. What was perplexing about this was that the age of our oldest `datfrozenxid` was only 1.2 billion - far away from where I'd expect a wraparound. Curiously, the wraparound error referred to a mysterious database of `OID 0`:
    > > >
    > > > UPDATE ERROR:  database is not accepting commands to avoid wraparound data loss in database with OID 0
    > 
    > That's bad.
    
    Yea. The code triggering it in pg_resetwal is bogus as far as I can
    tell. That pg_upgrade triggers it makes this quite bad.
    
    I just hit issues related to it when writing a wraparound handling
    test. Peter remembered this issue (how?)...
    
    Especially before 13 (inserts triggering autovacuum) it is quite common
    to have tables that only ever get vacuumed due to anti-wraparound
    vacuums. And it's common for larger databases to increase
    autovacuum_freeze_max_age. Which makes it fairly likely for this to
    guess an oldestXid value that's *newer* than an accurate one. Since
    oldestXid is used in a few important-ish places (like triggering
    vacuums, and in 14 also some snapshot related logic) I think that's bad.
    
    The relevant code:
    
        if (set_xid != 0)
        {
            ControlFile.checkPointCopy.nextXid =
                FullTransactionIdFromEpochAndXid(EpochFromFullTransactionId(ControlFile.checkPointCopy.nextXid),
                                                 set_xid);
    
            /*
             * For the moment, just set oldestXid to a value that will force
             * immediate autovacuum-for-wraparound.  It's not clear whether adding
             * user control of this is useful, so let's just do something that's
             * reasonably safe.  The magic constant here corresponds to the
             * maximum allowed value of autovacuum_freeze_max_age.
             */
            ControlFile.checkPointCopy.oldestXid = set_xid - 2000000000;
            if (ControlFile.checkPointCopy.oldestXid < FirstNormalTransactionId)
                ControlFile.checkPointCopy.oldestXid += FirstNormalTransactionId;
            ControlFile.checkPointCopy.oldestXidDB = InvalidOid;
        }
    
    Originally from:
    
    commit 25ec228ef760eb91c094cc3b6dea7257cc22ffb5
    Author: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
    Date:   2009-08-31 02:23:23 +0000
    
        Track the current XID wrap limit (or more accurately, the oldest unfrozen
        XID) in checkpoint records.  This eliminates the need to recompute the value
        from scratch during database startup, which is one of the two remaining
        reasons for the flatfile code to exist.  It should also simplify life for
        hot-standby operation.
    
    
    I think we should remove the oldestXid guessing logic, and expose it as
    an explicit option. I think it's important that pg_upgrade sets an
    accurate value. Probably not worth caring about oldestXidDB though?
    
    Greetings,
    
    Andres Freund
    
    
    
    
  5. Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com> — 2021-04-24T00:28:27Z

    On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 04:42:56PM -0700, Andres Freund wrote:
    > Hi,
    > 
    > On 2019-06-15 11:37:59 -0700, Noah Misch wrote:
    > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 03:23:00PM -0700, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
    > > > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 3:10 AM Jason Harvey <jason@reddit.com> wrote:
    > > > > This week I upgraded one of my large(2.8TB), high-volume databases from 9 to 11. The upgrade itself went fine. About two days later, we unexpectedly hit transaction ID wraparound. What was perplexing about this was that the age of our oldest `datfrozenxid` was only 1.2 billion - far away from where I'd expect a wraparound. Curiously, the wraparound error referred to a mysterious database of `OID 0`:
    > > > >
    > > > > UPDATE ERROR:  database is not accepting commands to avoid wraparound data loss in database with OID 0
    > > 
    > > That's bad.
    > 
    > Yea. The code triggering it in pg_resetwal is bogus as far as I can
    > tell. That pg_upgrade triggers it makes this quite bad.
    > 
    > I just hit issues related to it when writing a wraparound handling
    > test. Peter remembered this issue (how?)...
    > 
    > Especially before 13 (inserts triggering autovacuum) it is quite common
    > to have tables that only ever get vacuumed due to anti-wraparound
    > vacuums. And it's common for larger databases to increase
    > autovacuum_freeze_max_age. Which makes it fairly likely for this to
    > guess an oldestXid value that's *newer* than an accurate one. Since
    > oldestXid is used in a few important-ish places (like triggering
    > vacuums, and in 14 also some snapshot related logic) I think that's bad.
    > 
    > The relevant code:
    > 
    >     if (set_xid != 0)
    >     {
    >         ControlFile.checkPointCopy.nextXid =
    >             FullTransactionIdFromEpochAndXid(EpochFromFullTransactionId(ControlFile.checkPointCopy.nextXid),
    >                                              set_xid);
    > 
    >         /*
    >          * For the moment, just set oldestXid to a value that will force
    >          * immediate autovacuum-for-wraparound.  It's not clear whether adding
    >          * user control of this is useful, so let's just do something that's
    >          * reasonably safe.  The magic constant here corresponds to the
    >          * maximum allowed value of autovacuum_freeze_max_age.
    >          */
    >         ControlFile.checkPointCopy.oldestXid = set_xid - 2000000000;
    >         if (ControlFile.checkPointCopy.oldestXid < FirstNormalTransactionId)
    >             ControlFile.checkPointCopy.oldestXid += FirstNormalTransactionId;
    >         ControlFile.checkPointCopy.oldestXidDB = InvalidOid;
    >     }
    > 
    > Originally from:
    > 
    > commit 25ec228ef760eb91c094cc3b6dea7257cc22ffb5
    > Author: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
    > Date:   2009-08-31 02:23:23 +0000
    > 
    >     Track the current XID wrap limit (or more accurately, the oldest unfrozen
    >     XID) in checkpoint records.  This eliminates the need to recompute the value
    >     from scratch during database startup, which is one of the two remaining
    >     reasons for the flatfile code to exist.  It should also simplify life for
    >     hot-standby operation.
    > 
    > I think we should remove the oldestXid guessing logic, and expose it as
    > an explicit option. I think it's important that pg_upgrade sets an
    > accurate value. Probably not worth caring about oldestXidDB though?
    
    This (combination of) thread(s) seems relevant.
    
    Subject: pg_upgrade failing for 200+ million Large Objects
    https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/12601596dbbc4c01b86b4ac4d2bd4d48%40EX13D05UWC001.ant.amazon.com
    https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/a9f9376f1c3343a6bb319dce294e20ac%40EX13D05UWC001.ant.amazon.com
    https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/cc089cc3-fc43-9904-fdba-d830d8222145%40enterprisedb.com#3eec85391c6076a4913e96a86fece75e
    > Allows the user to provide a constant via pg_upgrade command-line, that
    >overrides the 2 billion constant in pg_resetxlog [1] thereby increasing the
    >(window of) Transaction IDs available for pg_upgrade to complete.
    
    -- 
    Justin
    
    
    
    
  6. Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de> — 2021-04-24T01:00:05Z

    Hi,
    
    On 2021-04-23 19:28:27 -0500, Justin Pryzby wrote:
    > This (combination of) thread(s) seems relevant.
    > 
    > Subject: pg_upgrade failing for 200+ million Large Objects
    > https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/12601596dbbc4c01b86b4ac4d2bd4d48%40EX13D05UWC001.ant.amazon.com
    > https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/a9f9376f1c3343a6bb319dce294e20ac%40EX13D05UWC001.ant.amazon.com
    > https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/cc089cc3-fc43-9904-fdba-d830d8222145%40enterprisedb.com#3eec85391c6076a4913e96a86fece75e
    
    Huh. Thanks for digging these up.
    
    
    > > Allows the user to provide a constant via pg_upgrade command-line, that
    > >overrides the 2 billion constant in pg_resetxlog [1] thereby increasing the
    > >(window of) Transaction IDs available for pg_upgrade to complete.
    
    That seems the entirely the wrong approach to me, buying further into
    the broken idea of inventing random wrong values for oldestXid.
    
    We drive important things like the emergency xid limits off oldestXid. On
    databases with tables that are older than ~147million xids (i.e. not even
    affected by the default autovacuum_freeze_max_age) the current constant leads
    to setting the oldestXid to a value *in the future*/wrapped around. Any
    different different constant (or pg_upgrade parameter) will do that too in
    other scenarios.
    
    As far as I can tell there is precisely *no* correct behaviour here other than
    exactly copying the oldestXid limit from the source database.
    
    Greetings,
    
    Andres Freund
    
    
    
    
  7. Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Drouvot, Bertrand <bdrouvot@amazon.com> — 2021-05-04T08:17:49Z

    Hi,
    
    On 4/24/21 3:00 AM, Andres Freund wrote:
    > Hi,
    >
    > On 2021-04-23 19:28:27 -0500, Justin Pryzby wrote:
    >> This (combination of) thread(s) seems relevant.
    >>
    >> Subject: pg_upgrade failing for 200+ million Large Objects
    >> https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/12601596dbbc4c01b86b4ac4d2bd4d48%40EX13D05UWC001.ant.amazon.com
    >> https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/a9f9376f1c3343a6bb319dce294e20ac%40EX13D05UWC001.ant.amazon.com
    >> https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/cc089cc3-fc43-9904-fdba-d830d8222145%40enterprisedb.com#3eec85391c6076a4913e96a86fece75e
    > Huh. Thanks for digging these up.
    >
    >
    >>> Allows the user to provide a constant via pg_upgrade command-line, that
    >>> overrides the 2 billion constant in pg_resetxlog [1] thereby increasing the
    >>> (window of) Transaction IDs available for pg_upgrade to complete.
    > That seems the entirely the wrong approach to me, buying further into
    > the broken idea of inventing random wrong values for oldestXid.
    >
    > We drive important things like the emergency xid limits off oldestXid. On
    > databases with tables that are older than ~147million xids (i.e. not even
    > affected by the default autovacuum_freeze_max_age) the current constant leads
    > to setting the oldestXid to a value *in the future*/wrapped around. Any
    > different different constant (or pg_upgrade parameter) will do that too in
    > other scenarios.
    >
    > As far as I can tell there is precisely *no* correct behaviour here other than
    > exactly copying the oldestXid limit from the source database.
    >
    Please find attached a patch proposal doing so: it adds a new (- u) 
    parameter to pg_resetwal that allows to specify the oldest unfrozen XID 
    to set.
    Then this new parameter is being used in pg_upgrade to copy the source 
    Latest checkpoint's oldestXID.
    
    Questions:
    
      * Should we keep the old behavior in case -x is being used without -u?
        (The proposed patch does not set an arbitrary oldestXID anymore in
        case -x is used.)
      * Also shouldn't we ensure that the xid provided with -x or -u is >=
        FirstNormalTransactionId (Currently the only check is that it is # 0)?
    
    I'm adding this patch to the commitfest.
    
    Bertrand
    
    
  8. Re: [UNVERIFIED SENDER] Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Drouvot, Bertrand <bdrouvot@amazon.com> — 2021-05-18T11:26:38Z

    Hi,
    
    On 5/4/21 10:17 AM, Drouvot, Bertrand wrote:
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > On 4/24/21 3:00 AM, Andres Freund wrote:
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> On 2021-04-23 19:28:27 -0500, Justin Pryzby wrote:
    >>> This (combination of) thread(s) seems relevant.
    >>>
    >>> Subject: pg_upgrade failing for 200+ million Large Objects
    >>> https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/12601596dbbc4c01b86b4ac4d2bd4d48%40EX13D05UWC001.ant.amazon.com
    >>> https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/a9f9376f1c3343a6bb319dce294e20ac%40EX13D05UWC001.ant.amazon.com
    >>> https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/cc089cc3-fc43-9904-fdba-d830d8222145%40enterprisedb.com#3eec85391c6076a4913e96a86fece75e
    >> Huh. Thanks for digging these up.
    >>
    >>
    >>>> Allows the user to provide a constant via pg_upgrade command-line, that
    >>>> overrides the 2 billion constant in pg_resetxlog [1] thereby increasing the
    >>>> (window of) Transaction IDs available for pg_upgrade to complete.
    >> That seems the entirely the wrong approach to me, buying further into
    >> the broken idea of inventing random wrong values for oldestXid.
    >>
    >> We drive important things like the emergency xid limits off oldestXid. On
    >> databases with tables that are older than ~147million xids (i.e. not even
    >> affected by the default autovacuum_freeze_max_age) the current constant leads
    >> to setting the oldestXid to a value *in the future*/wrapped around. Any
    >> different different constant (or pg_upgrade parameter) will do that too in
    >> other scenarios.
    >>
    >> As far as I can tell there is precisely *no* correct behaviour here other than
    >> exactly copying the oldestXid limit from the source database.
    >>
    > Please find attached a patch proposal doing so: it adds a new (- u) 
    > parameter to pg_resetwal that allows to specify the oldest unfrozen 
    > XID to set.
    > Then this new parameter is being used in pg_upgrade to copy the source 
    > Latest checkpoint's oldestXID.
    >
    > Questions:
    >
    >   * Should we keep the old behavior in case -x is being used without
    >     -u? (The proposed patch does not set an arbitrary oldestXID
    >     anymore in case -x is used.)
    >   * Also shouldn't we ensure that the xid provided with -x or -u is >=
    >     FirstNormalTransactionId (Currently the only check is that it is # 0)?
    >
    
    Copy/pasting Andres feedback (Thanks Andres for this feedback) on those 
    questions from another thread [1].
    
     > I was also wondering if:
     >
     > * We should keep the old behavior in case pg_resetwal -x is being used
     > without -u?
 (The proposed patch does not set an arbitrary oldestXID
     > anymore in 
case -x is used)
    
    Andres: I don't think we should. I don't see anything in the old 
    behaviour worth
    maintaining.
    
     > * We should ensure that the xid provided with -x or -u is
     > >=
FirstNormalTransactionId (Currently the only check is that it is
     > # 0)?
    
    Andres: Applying TransactionIdIsNormal() seems like a good idea.
    
    => I am attaching a new version that makes use of 
    TransactionIdIsNormal() checks.
    
    Andres: I think it's important to verify that the xid provided with -x 
    is within a reasonable range of the oldest xid.
    
    => What do you mean by "a reasonable range"?
    
    Thanks
    
    Bertrand
    
    [1]: 
    https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/20210517185646.pwe4klaufwmdhe2a%40alap3.anarazel.de
    
    
    
    
    
  9. Re: [UNVERIFIED SENDER] Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2021-07-27T02:39:04Z

    This patch has been applied back to 9.6 and will appear in the next
    minor release.
    
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 01:26:38PM +0200, Drouvot, Bertrand wrote:
    > Hi,
    > 
    > On 5/4/21 10:17 AM, Drouvot, Bertrand wrote:
    > 
    > 
    >     Hi,
    > 
    >     On 4/24/21 3:00 AM, Andres Freund wrote:
    > 
    >         Hi,
    > 
    >         On 2021-04-23 19:28:27 -0500, Justin Pryzby wrote:
    > 
    >             This (combination of) thread(s) seems relevant.
    > 
    >             Subject: pg_upgrade failing for 200+ million Large Objects
    >             https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/12601596dbbc4c01b86b4ac4d2bd4d48%40EX13D05UWC001.ant.amazon.com
    >             https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/a9f9376f1c3343a6bb319dce294e20ac%40EX13D05UWC001.ant.amazon.com
    >             https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/cc089cc3-fc43-9904-fdba-d830d8222145%40enterprisedb.com#3eec85391c6076a4913e96a86fece75e
    > 
    >         Huh. Thanks for digging these up.
    > 
    > 
    > 
    >                 Allows the user to provide a constant via pg_upgrade command-line, that
    >                 overrides the 2 billion constant in pg_resetxlog [1] thereby increasing the
    >                 (window of) Transaction IDs available for pg_upgrade to complete.
    > 
    >         That seems the entirely the wrong approach to me, buying further into
    >         the broken idea of inventing random wrong values for oldestXid.
    > 
    >         We drive important things like the emergency xid limits off oldestXid. On
    >         databases with tables that are older than ~147million xids (i.e. not even
    >         affected by the default autovacuum_freeze_max_age) the current constant leads
    >         to setting the oldestXid to a value *in the future*/wrapped around. Any
    >         different different constant (or pg_upgrade parameter) will do that too in
    >         other scenarios.
    > 
    >         As far as I can tell there is precisely *no* correct behaviour here other than
    >         exactly copying the oldestXid limit from the source database.
    > 
    > 
    >     Please find attached a patch proposal doing so: it adds a new (- u)
    >     parameter to pg_resetwal that allows to specify the oldest unfrozen XID to
    >     set.
    >     Then this new parameter is being used in pg_upgrade to copy the source
    >     Latest checkpoint's oldestXID.
    > 
    >     Questions:
    > 
    >       □ Should we keep the old behavior in case -x is being used without -u?
    >         (The proposed patch does not set an arbitrary oldestXID anymore in case
    >         -x is used.)
    >       □ Also shouldn't we ensure that the xid provided with -x or -u is >=
    >         FirstNormalTransactionId (Currently the only check is that it is # 0)?
    > 
    > 
    > Copy/pasting Andres feedback (Thanks Andres for this feedback) on those
    > questions from another thread [1].
    > 
    > > I was also wondering if:
    > >
    > > * We should keep the old behavior in case pg_resetwal -x is being used
    > > without -u?
 (The proposed patch does not set an arbitrary oldestXID
    > > anymore in 
case -x is used)
    > 
    > Andres: I don't think we should. I don't see anything in the old behaviour
    > worth
    > maintaining.
    > 
    > > * We should ensure that the xid provided with -x or -u is
    > > >=
FirstNormalTransactionId (Currently the only check is that it is
    > > # 0)?
    > 
    > Andres: Applying TransactionIdIsNormal() seems like a good idea.
    > 
    > => I am attaching a new version that makes use of TransactionIdIsNormal()
    > checks.
    > 
    > Andres: I think it's important to verify that the xid provided with -x is
    > within a reasonable range of the oldest xid.
    > 
    > => What do you mean by "a reasonable range"?
    > 
    > Thanks
    > 
    > Bertrand
    > 
    > [1]: https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/
    > 20210517185646.pwe4klaufwmdhe2a%40alap3.anarazel.de
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    
    >  src/bin/pg_resetwal/pg_resetwal.c | 65 ++++++++++++++++++++++-----------------
    >  src/bin/pg_upgrade/controldata.c  | 17 +++++++++-
    >  src/bin/pg_upgrade/pg_upgrade.c   |  6 ++++
    >  src/bin/pg_upgrade/pg_upgrade.h   |  1 +
    >  4 files changed, 60 insertions(+), 29 deletions(-)
    > diff --git a/src/bin/pg_resetwal/pg_resetwal.c b/src/bin/pg_resetwal/pg_resetwal.c
    > index 805dafef07..5e864760ed 100644
    > --- a/src/bin/pg_resetwal/pg_resetwal.c
    > +++ b/src/bin/pg_resetwal/pg_resetwal.c
    > @@ -65,6 +65,7 @@ static bool guessed = false;	/* T if we had to guess at any values */
    >  static const char *progname;
    >  static uint32 set_xid_epoch = (uint32) -1;
    >  static TransactionId set_xid = 0;
    > +static TransactionId set_oldest_unfrozen_xid = 0;
    >  static TransactionId set_oldest_commit_ts_xid = 0;
    >  static TransactionId set_newest_commit_ts_xid = 0;
    >  static Oid	set_oid = 0;
    > @@ -102,6 +103,7 @@ main(int argc, char *argv[])
    >  		{"next-oid", required_argument, NULL, 'o'},
    >  		{"multixact-offset", required_argument, NULL, 'O'},
    >  		{"next-transaction-id", required_argument, NULL, 'x'},
    > +		{"oldest-transaction-id", required_argument, NULL, 'u'},
    >  		{"wal-segsize", required_argument, NULL, 1},
    >  		{NULL, 0, NULL, 0}
    >  	};
    > @@ -135,7 +137,7 @@ main(int argc, char *argv[])
    >  	}
    >  
    >  
    > -	while ((c = getopt_long(argc, argv, "c:D:e:fl:m:no:O:x:", long_options, NULL)) != -1)
    > +	while ((c = getopt_long(argc, argv, "c:D:e:fl:m:no:O:x:u:", long_options, NULL)) != -1)
    >  	{
    >  		switch (c)
    >  		{
    > @@ -176,9 +178,24 @@ main(int argc, char *argv[])
    >  					fprintf(stderr, _("Try \"%s --help\" for more information.\n"), progname);
    >  					exit(1);
    >  				}
    > -				if (set_xid == 0)
    > +				if (!TransactionIdIsNormal(set_xid))
    >  				{
    > -					pg_log_error("transaction ID (-x) must not be 0");
    > +					pg_log_error("transaction ID (-x) must be greater or equal to %u", FirstNormalTransactionId);
    > +					exit(1);
    > +				}
    > +				break;
    > +
    > +			case 'u':
    > +				set_oldest_unfrozen_xid = strtoul(optarg, &endptr, 0);
    > +				if (endptr == optarg || *endptr != '\0')
    > +				{
    > +					pg_log_error("invalid argument for option %s", "-u");
    > +					fprintf(stderr, _("Try \"%s --help\" for more information.\n"), progname);
    > +					exit(1);
    > +				}
    > +				if (!TransactionIdIsNormal(set_oldest_unfrozen_xid))
    > +				{
    > +					pg_log_error("oldest unfrozen transaction ID (-u) must be greater or equal to %u", FirstNormalTransactionId);
    >  					exit(1);
    >  				}
    >  				break;
    > @@ -429,21 +446,12 @@ main(int argc, char *argv[])
    >  											 XidFromFullTransactionId(ControlFile.checkPointCopy.nextXid));
    >  
    >  	if (set_xid != 0)
    > -	{
    >  		ControlFile.checkPointCopy.nextXid =
    >  			FullTransactionIdFromEpochAndXid(EpochFromFullTransactionId(ControlFile.checkPointCopy.nextXid),
    >  											 set_xid);
    >  
    > -		/*
    > -		 * For the moment, just set oldestXid to a value that will force
    > -		 * immediate autovacuum-for-wraparound.  It's not clear whether adding
    > -		 * user control of this is useful, so let's just do something that's
    > -		 * reasonably safe.  The magic constant here corresponds to the
    > -		 * maximum allowed value of autovacuum_freeze_max_age.
    > -		 */
    > -		ControlFile.checkPointCopy.oldestXid = set_xid - 2000000000;
    > -		if (ControlFile.checkPointCopy.oldestXid < FirstNormalTransactionId)
    > -			ControlFile.checkPointCopy.oldestXid += FirstNormalTransactionId;
    > +	if (set_oldest_unfrozen_xid != 0) {
    > +		ControlFile.checkPointCopy.oldestXid = set_oldest_unfrozen_xid;
    >  		ControlFile.checkPointCopy.oldestXidDB = InvalidOid;
    >  	}
    >  
    > @@ -1209,20 +1217,21 @@ usage(void)
    >  	printf(_("Usage:\n  %s [OPTION]... DATADIR\n\n"), progname);
    >  	printf(_("Options:\n"));
    >  	printf(_("  -c, --commit-timestamp-ids=XID,XID\n"
    > -			 "                                 set oldest and newest transactions bearing\n"
    > -			 "                                 commit timestamp (zero means no change)\n"));
    > -	printf(_(" [-D, --pgdata=]DATADIR          data directory\n"));
    > -	printf(_("  -e, --epoch=XIDEPOCH           set next transaction ID epoch\n"));
    > -	printf(_("  -f, --force                    force update to be done\n"));
    > -	printf(_("  -l, --next-wal-file=WALFILE    set minimum starting location for new WAL\n"));
    > -	printf(_("  -m, --multixact-ids=MXID,MXID  set next and oldest multitransaction ID\n"));
    > -	printf(_("  -n, --dry-run                  no update, just show what would be done\n"));
    > -	printf(_("  -o, --next-oid=OID             set next OID\n"));
    > -	printf(_("  -O, --multixact-offset=OFFSET  set next multitransaction offset\n"));
    > -	printf(_("  -V, --version                  output version information, then exit\n"));
    > -	printf(_("  -x, --next-transaction-id=XID  set next transaction ID\n"));
    > -	printf(_("      --wal-segsize=SIZE         size of WAL segments, in megabytes\n"));
    > -	printf(_("  -?, --help                     show this help, then exit\n"));
    > +			 "                                   set oldest and newest transactions bearing\n"
    > +			 "                                   commit timestamp (zero means no change)\n"));
    > +	printf(_(" [-D, --pgdata=]DATADIR            data directory\n"));
    > +	printf(_("  -e, --epoch=XIDEPOCH             set next transaction ID epoch\n"));
    > +	printf(_("  -f, --force                      force update to be done\n"));
    > +	printf(_("  -l, --next-wal-file=WALFILE      set minimum starting location for new WAL\n"));
    > +	printf(_("  -m, --multixact-ids=MXID,MXID    set next and oldest multitransaction ID\n"));
    > +	printf(_("  -n, --dry-run                    no update, just show what would be done\n"));
    > +	printf(_("  -o, --next-oid=OID               set next OID\n"));
    > +	printf(_("  -O, --multixact-offset=OFFSET    set next multitransaction offset\n"));
    > +	printf(_("  -u, --oldest-transaction-id=XID  set oldest unfrozen transaction ID\n"));
    > +	printf(_("  -V, --version                    output version information, then exit\n"));
    > +	printf(_("  -x, --next-transaction-id=XID    set next transaction ID\n"));
    > +	printf(_("      --wal-segsize=SIZE           size of WAL segments, in megabytes\n"));
    > +	printf(_("  -?, --help                       show this help, then exit\n"));
    >  	printf(_("\nReport bugs to <%s>.\n"), PACKAGE_BUGREPORT);
    >  	printf(_("%s home page: <%s>\n"), PACKAGE_NAME, PACKAGE_URL);
    >  }
    > diff --git a/src/bin/pg_upgrade/controldata.c b/src/bin/pg_upgrade/controldata.c
    > index 4f647cdf33..a4b6375403 100644
    > --- a/src/bin/pg_upgrade/controldata.c
    > +++ b/src/bin/pg_upgrade/controldata.c
    > @@ -44,6 +44,7 @@ get_control_data(ClusterInfo *cluster, bool live_check)
    >  	bool		got_oid = false;
    >  	bool		got_multi = false;
    >  	bool		got_oldestmulti = false;
    > +	bool		got_oldestxid = false;
    >  	bool		got_mxoff = false;
    >  	bool		got_nextxlogfile = false;
    >  	bool		got_float8_pass_by_value = false;
    > @@ -312,6 +313,17 @@ get_control_data(ClusterInfo *cluster, bool live_check)
    >  			cluster->controldata.chkpnt_nxtmulti = str2uint(p);
    >  			got_multi = true;
    >  		}
    > +		else if ((p = strstr(bufin, "Latest checkpoint's oldestXID:")) != NULL)
    > +		{
    > +			p = strchr(p, ':');
    > +
    > +			if (p == NULL || strlen(p) <= 1)
    > +				pg_fatal("%d: controldata retrieval problem\n", __LINE__);
    > +
    > +			p++;				/* remove ':' char */
    > +			cluster->controldata.chkpnt_oldstxid = str2uint(p);
    > +			got_oldestxid = true;
    > +		}
    >  		else if ((p = strstr(bufin, "Latest checkpoint's oldestMultiXid:")) != NULL)
    >  		{
    >  			p = strchr(p, ':');
    > @@ -544,7 +556,7 @@ get_control_data(ClusterInfo *cluster, bool live_check)
    >  
    >  	/* verify that we got all the mandatory pg_control data */
    >  	if (!got_xid || !got_oid ||
    > -		!got_multi ||
    > +		!got_multi || !got_oldestxid ||
    >  		(!got_oldestmulti &&
    >  		 cluster->controldata.cat_ver >= MULTIXACT_FORMATCHANGE_CAT_VER) ||
    >  		!got_mxoff || (!live_check && !got_nextxlogfile) ||
    > @@ -575,6 +587,9 @@ get_control_data(ClusterInfo *cluster, bool live_check)
    >  			cluster->controldata.cat_ver >= MULTIXACT_FORMATCHANGE_CAT_VER)
    >  			pg_log(PG_REPORT, "  latest checkpoint oldest MultiXactId\n");
    >  
    > +		if (!got_oldestxid)
    > +			pg_log(PG_REPORT, "  latest checkpoint oldestXID\n");
    > +
    >  		if (!got_mxoff)
    >  			pg_log(PG_REPORT, "  latest checkpoint next MultiXactOffset\n");
    >  
    > diff --git a/src/bin/pg_upgrade/pg_upgrade.c b/src/bin/pg_upgrade/pg_upgrade.c
    > index e23b8ca88d..950ff24980 100644
    > --- a/src/bin/pg_upgrade/pg_upgrade.c
    > +++ b/src/bin/pg_upgrade/pg_upgrade.c
    > @@ -473,6 +473,12 @@ copy_xact_xlog_xid(void)
    >  			  "\"%s/pg_resetwal\" -f -x %u \"%s\"",
    >  			  new_cluster.bindir, old_cluster.controldata.chkpnt_nxtxid,
    >  			  new_cluster.pgdata);
    > +	check_ok();
    > +	prep_status("Setting oldest XID for new cluster");
    > +	exec_prog(UTILITY_LOG_FILE, NULL, true, true,
    > +			  "\"%s/pg_resetwal\" -f -u %u \"%s\"",
    > +			  new_cluster.bindir, old_cluster.controldata.chkpnt_oldstxid,
    > +			  new_cluster.pgdata);
    >  	exec_prog(UTILITY_LOG_FILE, NULL, true, true,
    >  			  "\"%s/pg_resetwal\" -f -e %u \"%s\"",
    >  			  new_cluster.bindir, old_cluster.controldata.chkpnt_nxtepoch,
    > diff --git a/src/bin/pg_upgrade/pg_upgrade.h b/src/bin/pg_upgrade/pg_upgrade.h
    > index a5f71c5294..dd0204902c 100644
    > --- a/src/bin/pg_upgrade/pg_upgrade.h
    > +++ b/src/bin/pg_upgrade/pg_upgrade.h
    > @@ -207,6 +207,7 @@ typedef struct
    >  	uint32		chkpnt_nxtmulti;
    >  	uint32		chkpnt_nxtmxoff;
    >  	uint32		chkpnt_oldstMulti;
    > +	uint32		chkpnt_oldstxid;
    >  	uint32		align;
    >  	uint32		blocksz;
    >  	uint32		largesz;
    
    
    -- 
      Bruce Momjian  <bruce@momjian.us>        https://momjian.us
      EDB                                      https://enterprisedb.com
    
      If only the physical world exists, free will is an illusion.
    
    
    
    
    
  10. Re: [UNVERIFIED SENDER] Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Drouvot, Bertrand <bdrouvot@amazon.com> — 2021-07-27T07:25:22Z

    Hi,
    
    On 7/27/21 4:39 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
    > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe.
    >
    >
    >
    > This patch has been applied back to 9.6 and will appear in the next
    > minor release.
    
    Thank you!
    
    Bertrand
    
    
    
    
    
    
  11. Re: [UNVERIFIED SENDER] Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2021-07-27T12:50:02Z

    On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 09:25:22AM +0200, Drouvot, Bertrand wrote:
    > Hi,
    > 
    > On 7/27/21 4:39 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
    > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe.
    > > 
    > > 
    > > 
    > > This patch has been applied back to 9.6 and will appear in the next
    > > minor release.
    > 
    > Thank you!
    
    Thank you for the patch --- this was a tricky problem, and frankly, I am
    disappointed that we (and I) took so long to address this.
    
    -- 
      Bruce Momjian  <bruce@momjian.us>        https://momjian.us
      EDB                                      https://enterprisedb.com
    
      If only the physical world exists, free will is an illusion.
    
    
    
    
    
  12. Re: [UNVERIFIED SENDER] Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2022-07-05T16:59:42Z

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes:
    > This patch has been applied back to 9.6 and will appear in the next
    > minor release.
    
    I have just discovered that this patch broke pg_upgrade's ability
    to upgrade from 8.4:
    
    $ pg_upgrade -b ~/version84/bin -d ...
    Performing Consistency Checks
    -----------------------------
    Checking cluster versions                                   ok
    The source cluster lacks some required control information:
      latest checkpoint oldestXID
    
    Cannot continue without required control information, terminating
    Failure, exiting
    
    Sure enough, 8.4's pg_controldata doesn't print anything about
    oldestXID, because that info wasn't there then.
    
    Given the lack of field complaints, it's probably not worth trying
    to do anything to restore that capability.  But we really ought to
    update pg_upgrade's code and docs in pre-v15 branches to say that
    the minimum supported source version is 9.0.
    
    			regards, tom lane
    
    
    
    
  13. Re: [UNVERIFIED SENDER] Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net> — 2022-07-05T18:52:57Z

    On 2022-07-05 Tu 12:59, Tom Lane wrote:
    > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes:
    >> This patch has been applied back to 9.6 and will appear in the next
    >> minor release.
    > I have just discovered that this patch broke pg_upgrade's ability
    > to upgrade from 8.4:
    >
    > $ pg_upgrade -b ~/version84/bin -d ...
    > Performing Consistency Checks
    > -----------------------------
    > Checking cluster versions                                   ok
    > The source cluster lacks some required control information:
    >   latest checkpoint oldestXID
    >
    > Cannot continue without required control information, terminating
    > Failure, exiting
    >
    > Sure enough, 8.4's pg_controldata doesn't print anything about
    > oldestXID, because that info wasn't there then.
    >
    > Given the lack of field complaints, it's probably not worth trying
    > to do anything to restore that capability.  But we really ought to
    > update pg_upgrade's code and docs in pre-v15 branches to say that
    > the minimum supported source version is 9.0.
    
    
    So it's taken us a year to discover the issue :-( Perhaps if we're going
    to say we support upgrades back to 9.0 we should have some testing to be
    assured we don't break it without knowing like this. I'll see if I can
    coax crake to do that - it already tests back to 9.2.
    
    
    cheers
    
    
    andrew
    
    --
    Andrew Dunstan
    EDB: https://www.enterprisedb.com
    
    
    
    
    
  14. Re: [UNVERIFIED SENDER] Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2022-07-05T19:17:38Z

    Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net> writes:
    > So it's taken us a year to discover the issue :-( Perhaps if we're going
    > to say we support upgrades back to 9.0 we should have some testing to be
    > assured we don't break it without knowing like this. I'll see if I can
    > coax crake to do that - it already tests back to 9.2.
    
    Hmm ... could you first look into why 09878cdd4 broke it?  I'd supposed
    that that was just detecting situations we must already have dealt with
    in order for the pg_upgrade test to work, but crake's not happy.
    
    			regards, tom lane
    
    
    
    
  15. Re: [UNVERIFIED SENDER] Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> — 2022-07-05T19:41:00Z

    On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 11:53 AM Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net> wrote:
    > > Sure enough, 8.4's pg_controldata doesn't print anything about
    > > oldestXID, because that info wasn't there then.
    > >
    > > Given the lack of field complaints, it's probably not worth trying
    > > to do anything to restore that capability.  But we really ought to
    > > update pg_upgrade's code and docs in pre-v15 branches to say that
    > > the minimum supported source version is 9.0.
    >
    >
    > So it's taken us a year to discover the issue :-(
    
    I'm not surprised at all, given the history here. There were at least
    a couple of bugs affecting how pg_upgrade carries forward information
    about these cutoffs. See commits 74cf7d46 and a61daa14.
    
    Actually, commit 74cf7d46 was where pg_resetxlog/pg_resetwal's -u
    argument was first added, for use by pg_upgrade. That commit is only
    about a year old, and was only backpatched to 9.6. Unfortunately the
    previous approach to carrying forward oldestXID was an accident that
    usually worked. So...yeah, things are bad here. At least we now have
    the ability to detect any downstream problems that this might cause by
    using pg_amcheck.
    
    
    --
    Peter Geoghegan
    
    
    
    
  16. Re: [UNVERIFIED SENDER] Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> — 2022-07-05T19:50:12Z

    On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 12:41 PM Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> wrote:
    > Actually, commit 74cf7d46 was where pg_resetxlog/pg_resetwal's -u
    > argument was first added, for use by pg_upgrade. That commit is only
    > about a year old, and was only backpatched to 9.6.
    
    I just realized that this thread was where that work was first
    discussed. That explains why it took a year to discover that we broke
    8.4!
    
    On further reflection I think that breaking pg_upgrade for 8.4 might
    have been a good thing. The issue was fairly visible and obvious if
    you actually ran into it, which is vastly preferable to what would
    have happened before commit 74cf7d46.
    
    -- 
    Peter Geoghegan
    
    
    
    
  17. Re: [UNVERIFIED SENDER] Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net> — 2022-07-05T21:25:43Z

    On 2022-07-05 Tu 15:17, Tom Lane wrote:
    > Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net> writes:
    >> So it's taken us a year to discover the issue :-( Perhaps if we're going
    >> to say we support upgrades back to 9.0 we should have some testing to be
    >> assured we don't break it without knowing like this. I'll see if I can
    >> coax crake to do that - it already tests back to 9.2.
    > Hmm ... could you first look into why 09878cdd4 broke it?  I'd supposed
    > that that was just detecting situations we must already have dealt with
    > in order for the pg_upgrade test to work, but crake's not happy.
    
    
    It's complaining about this:
    
    
    andrew@emma:HEAD $ cat
    ./inst/REL9_6_STABLE-20220705T160820.039/incompatible_polymorphics.txt
    In database: regression
      aggregate: public.first_el_agg_f8(double precision)
    
    I can have TestUpgradeXVersion.pm search for and remove offending
    functions, if that's the right fix.
    
    I note too that drongo is failing similarly, but its pg_upgrade output
    directory is missing, so 4fff78f009 seems possibly shy of a load w.r.t.
    MSVC. I will investigate.
    
    
    cheers
    
    
    andrew
    
    
    --
    Andrew Dunstan
    EDB: https://www.enterprisedb.com
    
    
    
    
    
  18. Re: [UNVERIFIED SENDER] Re: pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2022-07-05T22:05:07Z

    Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net> writes:
    > On 2022-07-05 Tu 15:17, Tom Lane wrote:
    >> Hmm ... could you first look into why 09878cdd4 broke it?  I'd supposed
    >> that that was just detecting situations we must already have dealt with
    >> in order for the pg_upgrade test to work, but crake's not happy.
    
    > It's complaining about this:
    
    > andrew@emma:HEAD $ cat
    > ./inst/REL9_6_STABLE-20220705T160820.039/incompatible_polymorphics.txt
    > In database: regression
    >   aggregate: public.first_el_agg_f8(double precision)
    
    Thanks.
    
    > I can have TestUpgradeXVersion.pm search for and remove offending
    > functions, if that's the right fix.
    
    I'm not sure.  It seems like the new check must be too strict,
    because it was only meant to detect cases that would cause a subsequent
    dump/reload failure, and evidently this did not.  I'll have to look
    closer to figure out what to do.  Anyway, it's off topic for this
    thread ...
    
    			regards, tom lane
    
    
    
    
  19. Re: [UNVERIFIED SENDER] pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se> — 2024-05-16T06:11:37Z

    > On 5 Jul 2022, at 18:59, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
    
    > Given the lack of field complaints, it's probably not worth trying
    > to do anything to restore that capability.  But we really ought to
    > update pg_upgrade's code and docs in pre-v15 branches to say that
    > the minimum supported source version is 9.0.
    
    (reviving an old thread from the TODO)
    
    Since we never got around to doing this we still refer to 8.4 as a possible
    upgrade path in v14 and older.
    
    There seems to be two alternatives here, either we bump the minimum version in
    v14-v12 to 9.0 which is the technical limitation brought by 695b4a113ab, or we
    follow the direction taken by e469f0aaf3c and set 9.2.  e469f0aaf3c raised the
    minimum supported version to 9.2 based on the complexity of compiling anything
    older using a modern toolchain.
    
    It can be argued that making a change we don't cover with testing is unwise,
    but we clearly don't test the current code either since it's broken.
    
    The attached takes the conservative approach of raising the minimum supported
    version to 9.0 while leaving the code to handle 8.4 in place.  While it can be
    removed, the risk/reward tradeoff of gutting code in backbranches doesn't seem
    appealing since the code will be unreachable with this check anyways.
    
    Thoughts?
    
    --
    Daniel Gustafsson
    
    
  20. Re: [UNVERIFIED SENDER] pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2024-05-16T17:47:37Z

    Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se> writes:
    >> On 5 Jul 2022, at 18:59, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
    >> Given the lack of field complaints, it's probably not worth trying
    >> to do anything to restore that capability.  But we really ought to
    >> update pg_upgrade's code and docs in pre-v15 branches to say that
    >> the minimum supported source version is 9.0.
    
    > (reviving an old thread from the TODO)
    
    > Since we never got around to doing this we still refer to 8.4 as a possible
    > upgrade path in v14 and older.
    
    Oh, yeah, that seems to have fallen through a crack.
    
    > The attached takes the conservative approach of raising the minimum supported
    > version to 9.0 while leaving the code to handle 8.4 in place.  While it can be
    > removed, the risk/reward tradeoff of gutting code in backbranches doesn't seem
    > appealing since the code will be unreachable with this check anyways.
    
    Yeah, it's not worth working harder than this.  I do see one typo
    in your comment: s/supported then/supported when/.  LGTM otherwise.
    
    			regards, tom lane
    
    
    
    
  21. Re: [UNVERIFIED SENDER] pg_upgrade can result in early wraparound on databases with high transaction load

    Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se> — 2024-05-17T12:35:42Z

    > On 16 May 2024, at 19:47, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
    
    > Yeah, it's not worth working harder than this.  I do see one typo
    > in your comment: s/supported then/supported when/.  LGTM otherwise.
    
    Thanks for review, I've pushed this (with the fix from above) to 14 through 12.
    
    --
    Daniel Gustafsson