Re: Built-in CTYPE provider
Peter Eisentraut <peter@eisentraut.org>
On 25.03.24 18:52, Jeff Davis wrote:
> OK, I'll propose a "title" or "titlecase" function for 18, along with
> "casefold" (which I was already planning to propose).
(Yay, casefold will be useful.)
> What do you think about UPPER/LOWER and full case mapping? Should there
> be extra arguments for full vs simple case mapping, or should it come
> from the collation?
>
> It makes sense that the "dotted vs dotless i" behavior comes from the
> collation because that depends on locale. But full-vs-simple case
> mapping is not really a locale question. For instance:
>
> select lower('0Σ' collate "en-US-x-icu") AS lower_sigma,
> lower('ΑΣ' collate "en-US-x-icu") AS lower_final_sigma,
> upper('ß' collate "en-US-x-icu") AS upper_eszett;
> lower_sigma | lower_final_sigma | upper_eszett
> -------------+-------------------+--------------
> 0σ | ας | SS
>
> produces the same results for any ICU collation.
I think of a collation describing what language a text is in. So it
makes sense that "dotless i" depends on the locale/collation.
Full vs. simple case mapping is more of a legacy compatibility question,
in my mind. There is some expectation/precedent that C.UTF-8 uses
simple case mapping, but beyond that, I don't see a reason why someone
would want to explicitly opt for simple case mapping, other than if they
need length preservation or something, but if they need that, then they
are going to be in a world of pain in Unicode anyway.
> There's also another reason to consider it an argument rather than a
> collation property, which is that it might be dependent on some other
> field in a row. I could imagine someone wanting to do:
>
> SELECT
> UPPER(some_field,
> full => true,
> dotless_i => CASE other_field WHEN ...)
> FROM ...
Can you index this usefully? It would only work if the user query
matches exactly this pattern?
> That makes sense for a function in the target list, because different
> customers might be from different locales and therefore want different
> treatment of the dotted-vs-dotless-i.
There is also the concept of a session collation, which we haven't
implemented, but it would address this kind of use. But there again the
problem is indexing. But maybe indexing isn't as important for case
conversion as it is for sorting.
Commits
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Support PG_UNICODE_FAST locale in the builtin collation provider.
- d3d098316913 18.0 landed
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Support Unicode full case mapping and conversion.
- 286a365b9c25 18.0 landed
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Fix test failures when language environment is not UTF-8.
- e2a235767180 17.0 landed
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Add unicode_strtitle() for Unicode Default Case Conversion.
- 46e5441fa536 17.0 landed
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Use version for builtin collations.
- 46a44dc37203 17.0 landed
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Fix convert_case(), introduced in 5c40364dd6.
- 503c0ad976f5 17.0 landed
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Inline basic UTF-8 functions.
- 9acae56ce0b0 17.0 landed
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Support C.UTF-8 locale in the new builtin collation provider.
- f69319f2f1fb 17.0 landed
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Fix another warning, introduced by 846311051e.
- 60769c62dc85 17.0 landed
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Address more review comments on commit 2d819a08a1.
- 846311051e8f 17.0 landed
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Fix unreachable code warning from commit 2d819a08a1.
- 61f352ece9e7 17.0 landed
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Introduce "builtin" collation provider.
- 2d819a08a1cb 17.0 landed
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Catalog changes preparing for builtin collation provider.
- f696c0cd5f29 17.0 landed
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Unicode case mapping tables and functions.
- 5c40364dd6d9 17.0 landed
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Add Unicode property tables.
- ad49994538c5 17.0 landed
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Documentation update for Standard Collations.
- 875e46a0a246 17.0 landed
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Cleanup for unicode-update build target and test.
- cf64d4e99f64 17.0 landed
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Shrink Unicode category table.
- 719b342d36ce 17.0 landed
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Make some error strings more generic
- 36a14afc0760 17.0 cited
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pg_upgrade: copy locale and encoding information to new cluster.
- 9637badd9f92 16.0 cited
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Update Unicode data to Unicode 15.0.0
- 1091b48cd761 16.0 cited
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Create a new type category for "internal use" types.
- 07eee5a0dc64 15.0 cited