Re: JIT compiling with LLVM v12
Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
>> Now you can say that'd be solved by bumping the cost up, sure. But >> obviously the row / cost model is pretty much out of whack here, I don't >> see how we can make reasonable decisions in a trivial query that has a >> misestimation by five orders of magnitude. > > Before JIT, it didn't matter whether the costing was wrong, provided > that the path with the lowest cost was the cheapest path (or at least > close enough to the cheapest path not to bother anyone). Now it does. > If the intended path is chosen but the costing is higher than it > should be, JIT will erroneously activate. If you had designed this in > such a way that we added separate paths for the JIT and non-JIT > versions and the JIT version had a bigger startup cost but a reduced > runtime cost, then you probably would not have run into this issue, or > at least not to the same degree. But as it is, JIT activates when the > plan looks expensive, regardless of whether activating JIT will do > anything to make it cheaper. As a blindingly obvious example, turning > on JIT to mitigate the effects of disable_cost is senseless, but as > you point out, that's exactly what happens right now. > > I'd guess that, as you read this, you're thinking, well, but if I'd > added JIT and non-JIT paths for every option, it would have doubled > the number of paths, and that would have slowed the planner down way > too much. That's certainly true, but my point is just that the > problem is probably not as simple as "the defaults are too low". I > think the problem is more fundamentally that the model you've chosen > is kinda broken. I'm not saying I know how you could have done any > better, but I do think we're going to have to try to figure out > something to do about it, because saying, "check-pg_upgrade is 4x > slower, but that's just because of all those bad estimates" is not > going to fly. Those bad estimates were harmlessly bad before, and now > they are harmfully bad, and similar bad estimates are going to exist > in real-world queries, and those are going to be harmful now too. > > Blaming the bad costing is a red herring. The problem is that you've > made the costing matter in a way that it previously didn't. My 0.02€ on this interesting subject. Historically, external IOs, ak rotating disk accesses, have been the main cost (by several order of magnitude) of executing database queries, and cpu costs are relatively very low in most queries. The point of the query planner is mostly to avoid very bad path wrt to IOs. Now, even with significanly faster IOs, eg SSD's, IOs are still a few order of magnitude slower, but less so, so cpu may matter more. Now again, for small database data are often in memory and stay there, in which case CPU is the only cost. This would suggest the following approach to evaluating costs in the planner: (1) are the needed data already in memory? if so use cpu only costs this implies that the planner would know about it... which is probably not the case. (2) if not, then optimise for IOs first, because they are likely to be the main cost driver anyway. (3) once an "IO-optimal" (eg not too bad) plan is selected, consider whether to apply JIT to part of it: if cpu costs are significant and some parts are likely to be executed a lot, with a significant high margin because JIT costs. Basically, I'm suggesting to reevaluate the selected plan, without changing it, with a JIT cost to improve it, as a second stage. -- Fabien.
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Improve JIT docs.
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Add documentation for the JIT feature.
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Add EXPLAIN support for JIT.
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Add inlining support to LLVM JIT provider.
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JIT tuple deforming in LLVM JIT provider.
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Add FIELDNO_* macro designating offset into structs required for JIT.
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Add expression compilation support to LLVM JIT provider.
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Expand list of synchronized types and functions in LLVM JIT provider.
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Add helpers for emitting LLVM IR.
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Basic planner and executor integration for JIT.
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Debugging and profiling support for LLVM JIT provider.
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Support for optimizing and emitting code in LLVM JIT provider.
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Add file containing extensions of the LLVM C API.
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Basic JIT provider and error handling infrastructure.
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Add configure infrastructure (--with-llvm) to enable LLVM support.
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Add C++ support to configure.
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Add PGAC_PROG_VARCC_VARFLAGS_OPT autoconf macro.
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Fix VM buffer pin management in heap_lock_updated_tuple_rec().
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Allow tupleslots to have a fixed tupledesc, use in executor nodes.
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Expression evaluation based aggregate transition invocation.
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Perform slot validity checks in a separate pass over expression.
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