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Re: what's going on with lapwing?

Julien Rouhaud <rjuju123@gmail.com> — 2025-03-07T00:03:02Z

On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 06:25:29PM -0500, Robert Haas wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 5:12 PM Julien Rouhaud <rjuju123@gmail.com> wrote:\
> > I indeed don't want to keep lapwing up unless there is any value.  Note that it
> > started to fail on 2 branches after the last buildfarm client update for
> > reasons I don't understand.  Since everyone is complaining about lapwing
> > already I will just turn it off.  If anyone is interested in keeping it up on
> > REL_13_STABLE until its EOL (so for the next ~6 months) let me know.
>
> We're not complaining, we're just discussing. :-)

Well, in quoted part of my answer was:

> Lapwing *has* caused extra work though, repeatedly.

In my book that's complaining.  At least Tom and Alvaro previously complained
too recently.

>
> In all seriousness, I appreciate the willingness of you and others to
> run BF members and of Andrew to maintain the BF client. It's kind of a
> thankless job, I'm sure, but will be much worse off as a project if
> people just stop doing those things. Wanting to figure out how we can
> do better or wondering whether a certain machine makes sense any more
> doesn't translate into not appreciating the work.

I'm fine with the thankless job, I got used to it.  But being blamed for it is
a big no.

Honestly, it's been years of people complaining on one thing or another about
lapwing without ever asking for a change.  Was it really hard to ask "can you
remove the -Werror it's not useful anymore" the first time it caused extra
work?  Instead I have to guess what people want.  So after a few complaints I
removed that flag.  And now after a few more complaints I turned it off.  If
that's not what you want, well too bad but that's on you, not me.