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  1. AW: How Do You Pronounce "PostgreSQL"?

    Zeugswetter Andreas SB <zeugswettera@wien.spardat.at> — 2000-08-24T08:55:11Z

    > In my personal experience, out in the real world, people refer to it as
> "Postgres". The QL being a mouthful, and contrary to the common practice
> of pronouncing SQL as SEQUEL. While Marc points out that technically
> Postgres died when it left Berkeley, that discontinuity is really only
> something we choose to acknowledge. As Henry points out, SQL 
> is only one
> feature that happened to be added. Apart from not owning the domain
> name, why shouldn't it just be "Postgres"?

Everybody I know also still sais "Postgres", leaving out the Q L
becaus it is too long. In german we would not have the "sequel"  problem, 
since we pronounce it "ess ku ell". I think they all know that they are
really 
referring to PostgreSQL.

Guess what you find under www.postgres.com ? Yes, it is Great Bridge.
postgresql.com is taken by some Korean domain grabber.

BTW Marc, I would make www.postgres.org point to postgresql.

Andreas

  2. Re: AW: How Do You Pronounce "PostgreSQL"?

    Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> — 2000-08-24T12:29:06Z

    On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Zeugswetter Andreas SB wrote:

> 
> > In my personal experience, out in the real world, people refer to it as
> > "Postgres". The QL being a mouthful, and contrary to the common practice
> > of pronouncing SQL as SEQUEL. While Marc points out that technically
> > Postgres died when it left Berkeley, that discontinuity is really only
> > something we choose to acknowledge. As Henry points out, SQL 
> > is only one
> > feature that happened to be added. Apart from not owning the domain
> > name, why shouldn't it just be "Postgres"?
> 
> Everybody I know also still sais "Postgres", leaving out the Q L
> becaus it is too long. In german we would not have the "sequel"  problem, 
> since we pronounce it "ess ku ell". I think they all know that they are
> really 
> referring to PostgreSQL.
> 
> Guess what you find under www.postgres.com ? Yes, it is Great Bridge.
> postgresql.com is taken by some Korean domain grabber.
> 
> BTW Marc, I would make www.postgres.org point to postgresql.

Not our domain to point ... it too belongs to Great Bridge ...

  3. Re: AW: How Do You Pronounce "PostgreSQL"?

    Chris <chrisb@nimrod.itg.telstra.com.au> — 2000-08-24T23:33:15Z

    The Hermit Hacker wrote:

> > Guess what you find under www.postgres.com ? Yes, it is Great Bridge.
> > postgresql.com is taken by some Korean domain grabber.
> >
> > BTW Marc, I would make www.postgres.org point to postgresql.
> 
> Not our domain to point ... it too belongs to Great Bridge ...

That's interesting, when did GreatBridge acquire them?

In my opinion, we should change the name to Postgres, and get
GreatBridge to donate the .org domain to the opensource project. That's
good for Greatbridge because they own the .com which would actually then
become useful. It's good for the free project because people are calling
it postgres anyway and it's a better brand name.

  4. Re: AW: How Do You Pronounce "PostgreSQL"?

    Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> — 2000-08-25T02:46:00Z

    On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Chris Bitmead wrote:

> The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> > > Guess what you find under www.postgres.com ? Yes, it is Great Bridge.
> > > postgresql.com is taken by some Korean domain grabber.
> > >
> > > BTW Marc, I would make www.postgres.org point to postgresql.
> > 
> > Not our domain to point ... it too belongs to Great Bridge ...
> 
> That's interesting, when did GreatBridge acquire them?
> 
> In my opinion, we should change the name to Postgres, and get
> GreatBridge to donate the .org domain to the opensource project. That's
> good for Greatbridge because they own the .com which would actually then
> become useful. It's good for the free project because people are calling
> it postgres anyway and it's a better brand name.

Just because ppl are referring to the project by the wrong name doesn't
make it right ... just because MySQL changes their name to MaxSQL, are you
going to accept them any differently?  

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org

  5. Re: AW: How Do You Pronounce "PostgreSQL"?

    Chris <chrisb@nimrod.itg.telstra.com.au> — 2000-08-25T03:58:02Z

    The Hermit Hacker wrote:

> Just because ppl are referring to the project by the wrong name doesn't
> make it right...

Which do you prefer? To be the only one who is right, when everyone else
is wrong. Or to change the definition of right so that the software is
universally called by its correct name?

  6. Re: AW: How Do You Pronounce "PostgreSQL"?

    Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> — 2000-08-25T15:18:09Z

    On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Chris Bitmead wrote:

> The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> > Just because ppl are referring to the project by the wrong name doesn't
> > make it right...
> 
> Which do you prefer? To be the only one who is right, when everyone else
> is wrong. Or to change the definition of right so that the software is
> universally called by its correct name?
> 

Hmmm.  Let's make a little table, shall we?

Proper name		Nickname
-----------		--------
Chevrolet		Chevy
PostgreSQL		Postgres
Christopher		Chris
Marcus			Marc
Robert			Bob
Richard			Rick

Since I don't see Chevrolet changing their name to Chevy just because
everyone calls it that, or Christopher Chris, Marcus Marc, Robert Bob,
etc. why do you feel it necessary to change PostgreSQL to Postgres? 

Vince.
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  7. Re: AW: How Do You Pronounce "PostgreSQL"?

    Chris Bitmead <chris@bitmead.com> — 2000-08-26T13:43:34Z

    Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> Hmmm.  Let's make a little table, shall we?
> 
> Proper name             Nickname
> -----------             --------
> Chevrolet               Chevy
> PostgreSQL              Postgres
> Christopher             Chris
> Marcus                  Marc
> Robert                  Bob
> Richard                 Rick
> 
> Since I don't see Chevrolet changing their name to Chevy just because
> everyone calls it that, or Christopher Chris, Marcus Marc, Robert Bob,
> etc. why do you feel it necessary to change PostgreSQL to Postgres?

I would be far overstating my case to say it is "necessary". Only
putting forward an opinion that it is desirable. 

The current release of PostgreSQL is 7.0. In reality it is release 3.0,
the four releases prior to that were known as Postgres. I don't see the
name change as having been desirable.

For Christopher -> Chris, I must say that this is one aspect I dislike
about my own name. I have deliberately chosen names for my own children
which are unlikely to require an abbreviation.

I could also draw up my own table of abbreviations which have become so
ubiquitous that the original names are all but forgotten. In fact one
could go through the dictionary and point out many of the words as
having arisen from an abbreviation of a longer expression.

  8. Re: AW: How Do You Pronounce "PostgreSQL"?

    Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> — 2000-08-26T15:21:21Z

    On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Chris wrote:

> Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> > Hmmm.  Let's make a little table, shall we?
> > 
> > Proper name             Nickname
> > -----------             --------
> > Chevrolet               Chevy
> > PostgreSQL              Postgres
> > Christopher             Chris
> > Marcus                  Marc
> > Robert                  Bob
> > Richard                 Rick
> > 
> > Since I don't see Chevrolet changing their name to Chevy just because
> > everyone calls it that, or Christopher Chris, Marcus Marc, Robert Bob,
> > etc. why do you feel it necessary to change PostgreSQL to Postgres?
> 
> I would be far overstating my case to say it is "necessary". Only
> putting forward an opinion that it is desirable. 
> 
> The current release of PostgreSQL is 7.0. In reality it is release 3.0,
> the four releases prior to that were known as Postgres. I don't see the
> name change as having been desirable.

Huh?  v1.09 was Postgres95, v2.x (our v6.x) was PostgreSQL, and that was
over 4 years ago ...

  9. Re: AW: How Do You Pronounce "PostgreSQL"?

    Chris Bitmead <chris@bitmead.com> — 2000-08-26T16:17:56Z

    > > The current release of PostgreSQL is 7.0. In reality it is release 3.0,
> > the four releases prior to that were known as Postgres. I don't see the
> > name change as having been desirable.
> 
> Huh?  v1.09 was Postgres95, v2.x (our v6.x) was PostgreSQL, and that was
> over 4 years ago ...

I stand corrected. The current release should be 2.0 of PostgreSQL.

  10. Re: AW: How Do You Pronounce "PostgreSQL"?

    Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> — 2000-10-15T18:38:42Z

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> 
> > In my personal experience, out in the real world, people refer to it as
> > "Postgres". The QL being a mouthful, and contrary to the common practice
> > of pronouncing SQL as SEQUEL. While Marc points out that technically
> > Postgres died when it left Berkeley, that discontinuity is really only
> > something we choose to acknowledge. As Henry points out, SQL 
> > is only one
> > feature that happened to be added. Apart from not owning the domain
> > name, why shouldn't it just be "Postgres"?
> 
> Everybody I know also still sais "Postgres", leaving out the Q L
> becaus it is too long. In german we would not have the "sequel"  problem, 
> since we pronounce it "ess ku ell". I think they all know that they are
> really 
> referring to PostgreSQL.

Someone once described our name as anti-marketing.  That point hit home
with me.


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  11. Re: AW: How Do You Pronounce "PostgreSQL"?

    Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> — 2000-10-15T18:42:04Z

    > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Chris Bitmead wrote:
> 
> > The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> > 
> > > Just because ppl are referring to the project by the wrong name doesn't
> > > make it right...
> > 
> > Which do you prefer? To be the only one who is right, when everyone else
> > is wrong. Or to change the definition of right so that the software is
> > universally called by its correct name?
> > 
> 
> Hmmm.  Let's make a little table, shall we?
> 
> Proper name		Nickname
> -----------		--------
> Chevrolet		Chevy
> PostgreSQL		Postgres
> Christopher		Chris
> Marcus			Marc
> Robert			Bob
> Richard			Rick
> 
> Since I don't see Chevrolet changing their name to Chevy just because
> everyone calls it that, or Christopher Chris, Marcus Marc, Robert Bob,
> etc. why do you feel it necessary to change PostgreSQL to Postgres? 

This is unfair because Vince(Vincent?) works for Chrysler.  :-)

Also, I never realized Marc was short for Marcus.  I thought it was just
a funny (Canuk/Canadian) spelling of Mark.  :-)  Shows you how stupid I
am in some things.

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