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  1. Opinions on Usenet ...

    Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@postgresql.org> — 2004-11-29T19:03:35Z

    If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and 
    carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using 
    the mailing lists?
    
    The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from 
    the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some 
    stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be 
    the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to 
    be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
    
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  2. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> — 2004-11-29T19:11:51Z

    Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    > 
    > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and 
    > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using 
    > the mailing lists?
    
    Heck no. I have no desire to use USENET.
    
    Sincerely,
    
    Joshua D. Drake
    
    
    > 
    > The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus 
    > from the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving 
    > some stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this 
    > to be the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers 
    > happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
    > 
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  3. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2004-11-29T19:13:05Z

    "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@postgresql.org> writes:
    > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and 
    > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using 
    > the mailing lists?
    
    No.  I abandoned Usenet years ago.
    
    			regards, tom lane
    
    
  4. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Gaetano Mendola <mendola@bigfoot.com> — 2004-11-29T19:17:23Z

    Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    > 
    > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and 
    > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using 
    > the mailing lists?
    
    No.
    
    Regards
    Gaetano Mendola
    
    
  5. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Rod Taylor <rbt@sitesell.com> — 2004-11-29T19:21:35Z

    On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:03 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and 
    > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using 
    > the mailing lists?
    
    Is there a reliable, fast, public news server out there which would
    carry it at reasonable speed (my ISP updates their groups nightly --
    completely useless).
    
    -- 
    Rod Taylor <rbt@sitesell.com>
    
    
    
  6. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@postgresql.org> — 2004-11-29T19:32:56Z

    On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Rod Taylor wrote:
    
    > On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:03 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    >> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
    >> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
    >> the mailing lists?
    >
    > Is there a reliable, fast, public news server out there which would
    > carry it at reasonable speed (my ISP updates their groups nightly --
    > completely useless).
    
    news.postgresql.org?
    
    
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  7. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Rod Taylor <pg@rbt.ca> — 2004-11-29T19:41:08Z

    > > Is there a reliable, fast, public news server out there which would
    > > carry it at reasonable speed (my ISP updates their groups nightly --
    > > completely useless).
    > 
    > news.postgresql.org?
    
    Didn't know that existed...
    
    
    
  8. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@postgresql.org> — 2004-11-29T19:58:14Z

    On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Rod Taylor wrote:
    
    >>> Is there a reliable, fast, public news server out there which would
    >>> carry it at reasonable speed (my ISP updates their groups nightly --
    >>> completely useless).
    >>
    >> news.postgresql.org?
    >
    > Didn't know that existed...
    
    Ack ... its never been 'hidden', but its also never been fully advertised 
    either ...
    
    I'm tempted to write a 'monthly FAQ' that gets posted that talks about the 
    usenet gateway, as well as how to do such seemingly simple things like 
    "how to unsubscribe to the lists" ...
    
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  9. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Gevik Babakhani <gevik@xs4all.nl> — 2004-11-29T20:02:56Z

    I was wondering if there is a better solution than mailing lists.
    My experience is that mailing lists are somewat combersome to use.
    Especially when your postings do not arrive!
    
    
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org
    [mailto:pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier
    Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:04 PM
    To: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
    Subject: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
    
    
    If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
    carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the
    mailing lists?
    
    The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from
    the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some
    stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be
    the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to be
    ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
    
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  10. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> — 2004-11-29T20:10:04Z

    >>
    >> Didn't know that existed...
    > 
    > 
    > Ack ... its never been 'hidden', but its also never been fully 
    > advertised either ...
    
    To be fair, I didn't know it existed until the whole usenet thing popped 
    up either.
    
    
    Sincerely,
    
    Joshua D. Drake
    
    
    > 
    > I'm tempted to write a 'monthly FAQ' that gets posted that talks about 
    > the usenet gateway, as well as how to do such seemingly simple things 
    > like "how to unsubscribe to the lists" ...
    > 
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  11. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@postgresql.org> — 2004-11-29T20:23:44Z

    On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Gevik Babakhani wrote:
    
    > I was wondering if there is a better solution than mailing lists.
    > My experience is that mailing lists are somewat combersome to use.
    > Especially when your postings do not arrive!
    
    When they don't arrive? *raised eyebrow*  You having a problem? :(
    
    I don't know about everyone else, but my personal preference for mailing 
    lists is due to the lack of spam that gets to them, something that you 
    can't really do easily on Usenet ...
    
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  12. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu> — 2004-11-29T20:42:58Z

    "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@postgresql.org> writes:
    
    > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
    > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the
    > mailing lists?
    > 
    > The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from the
    > lists to usenet ... 
    
    They're nuts. The only "exodus" would be in the form of people posting one-off
    questions not bothering to subscribe before posting.
    
    It seems to me that the news interface is useful if it's a list you don't read
    regularly. You just check periodically to see if there's anything on a
    particular topic (like to see how a new release is faring before upgrading) or
    to post the occasional support question without wanting to be subscribed all
    the time.
    
    On that basis it seems to me the only list that makes sense to gateway to
    USENET is pgsql-general. That's the outward-facing list for people to ask
    support one-off questions on. The rest of the lists should really be mailing
    lists for ongoing internal discussion.
    
    The news.postgresql.org interface should satisfy people who want the
    news-style user interface but with the serious-subscribers-only type of
    environment.
    
    -- 
    greg
    
    
    
  13. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Gevik Babakhani <gevik@xs4all.nl> — 2004-11-29T20:44:57Z

    Maybe it is me but, I am trying to send a posting regarding a solution
    proposal for a TODO item.
    My posting has a .tgz attachment but it seems that it never arives at
    hackers list! 
    This is very frustrating. I even ask Bruce for help.
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org
    [mailto:pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier
    Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:24 PM
    To: Gevik Babakhani
    Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
    Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
    
    On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Gevik Babakhani wrote:
    
    > I was wondering if there is a better solution than mailing lists.
    > My experience is that mailing lists are somewat combersome to use.
    > Especially when your postings do not arrive!
    
    When they don't arrive? *raised eyebrow*  You having a problem? :(
    
    I don't know about everyone else, but my personal preference for mailing
    lists is due to the lack of spam that gets to them, something that you can't
    really do easily on Usenet ...
    
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  14. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    (unknown) — 2004-11-29T20:53:01Z

    gevik@xs4all.nl ("Gevik Babakhani") writes:
    
    >Maybe it is me but, I am trying to send a posting regarding a solution
    >proposal for a TODO item.
    >My posting has a .tgz attachment but it seems that it never arives at
    >hackers list! 
    >This is very frustrating. I even ask Bruce for help.
    
    how big is the message? *raised eyebrow*   depending on size, it might get
    caught up in the queue to be approved ... the only other possibility is that
    the anti-virus or anti-spam checkers are picking it up ...
    
    what i'd recommend is putting it up on a URL and posting the URL so that ppl
    can download it ... 
    
    
    >-----Original Message-----
    >From: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org
    >[mailto:pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier
    >Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:24 PM
    >To: Gevik Babakhani
    >Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
    >Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Opinions on Usenet ...
    
    >On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Gevik Babakhani wrote:
    
    >> I was wondering if there is a better solution than mailing lists.
    >> My experience is that mailing lists are somewat combersome to use.
    >> Especially when your postings do not arrive!
    
    >When they don't arrive? *raised eyebrow*  You having a problem? :(
    
    >I don't know about everyone else, but my personal preference for mailing
    >lists is due to the lack of spam that gets to them, something that you can't
    >really do easily on Usenet ...
    
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  15. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com> — 2004-11-29T20:59:09Z

    Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    > 
    > The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus 
    > from the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving 
    > some stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this 
    > to be the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers 
    > happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
    
    No, not for me.
    
    Joe
    
    
  16. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Devrim Gündüz <devrim@gunduz.org> — 2004-11-29T21:03:46Z

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    On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    
    > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and 
    > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using the 
    > mailing lists?
    
    No. Using mailing lists is what I prefer since about '95.
    
    Regards,
    - --
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  17. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> — 2004-11-29T21:10:21Z

    Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created
    > and carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs
    > using the mailing lists?
    
    No.
    
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    http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
    
    
  18. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Neil Conway <neilc@samurai.com> — 2004-11-29T22:51:54Z

    On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:03 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and 
    > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using 
    > the mailing lists?
    
    No.
    
    -Neil
    
    
    
    
  19. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Gavin Sherry <swm@linuxworld.com.au> — 2004-11-29T22:58:02Z

    On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    
    >
    > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
    > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
    > the mailing lists?
    >
    > The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from
    > the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some
    > stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be
    > the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to
    > be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
    
    No.
    
    Gavin
    
    
  20. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> — 2004-11-30T02:43:39Z

    Gavin Sherry wrote:
    > On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    > 
    > >
    > > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
    > > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
    > > the mailing lists?
    > >
    > > The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from
    > > the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some
    > > stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be
    > > the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to
    > > be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
    > 
    > No.
    
    Yes ... well, actually ... no.  I just wanted to be different.  :-)
    
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  21. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@postgresql.org> — 2004-11-30T02:47:42Z

    On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:
    
    > Gavin Sherry wrote:
    >> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
    >>> carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
    >>> the mailing lists?
    >>>
    >>> The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from
    >>> the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some
    >>> stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be
    >>> the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to
    >>> be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
    >>
    >> No.
    >
    > Yes ... well, actually ... no.  I just wanted to be different.  :-)
    
    You watched "Night at the Roxbury" last night, didn't you? :)
    
    
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  22. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Greg Sabino Mullane <greg@turnstep.com> — 2004-11-30T03:04:45Z

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    > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
    > the mailing lists?
      
    No, but I might use it from time to time. Although I abandoned newsgroups a
    long time ago, they still serve a purpose.
      
    > ...
    > the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to
    > be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
      
    Not personally preferable, but I feel that we should either be mailing list
    only, or do things the right way, which means being underneath comp.* as
    an official (moderated) newsgroup, and following the accepted standards.
    (something we have always strived for in other areas). Thus, the true
    question should be: do we support newsgrouping these lists or keep them
    mailing list only? I'd rather do the latter than a broken implementation
    of the former.
      
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  23. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Jim Seymour <jseymour@linxnet.com> — 2004-11-30T03:13:43Z

    Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> wrote:
    > 
    > Gavin Sherry wrote:
    > > On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    > > 
    > > >
    > > > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
    > > > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
    > > > the mailing lists?
    > > >
    > > > The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from
    > > > the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some
    > > > stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be
    > > > the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to
    > > > be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
    > > 
    > > No.
    > 
    > Yes ... well, actually ... no.  I just wanted to be different.  :-)
    
    Personally, I'd frequent whichever venue had the most utility.  That
    being said: I much prefer the Usenet mechanism over either mailing
    lists or web-based bulletin-boards for non-real-time group
    discussions.
    
    Jim
    
    
  24. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Rupa Schomaker <rupa@rupa.com> — 2004-11-30T06:17:44Z

    
    On 11/29/2004 11:03 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    > The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus
    > from the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving
    > some stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this
    > to be the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers
    > happens to be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
    
    I simply gate the maillist traffic in to sn (small news server) and use
    that.  Not sure I wan't to rely on my warez/dvd repository for real
    information...
    
    But that is just me :)
    
    -- 
     -Rupa
    
    
    
  25. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> — 2004-11-30T12:45:52Z

    On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    
    > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
    > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
    > the mailing lists?
    
    No.  (yes, I'm still here :)
    
    Vince.
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  26. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Vince Vielhaber <vev-pg@michvhf.com> — 2004-11-30T12:55:54Z

    On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    
    >
    > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and
    > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using
    > the mailing lists?
    
    Trying this again with the right From address...
    
    No.  (and yes, I'm still here :)
    
    
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  27. Re: Opinions on Usenet ...

    Jan Wieck <janwieck@yahoo.com> — 2004-11-30T17:04:25Z

    On 11/29/2004 2:03 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    
    > If there were a comp.databases.postgresql.hackers newsgroup created and 
    > carried by all the news servers ... would you move to using it vs using 
    > the mailing lists?
    
    Certainly not.
    
    
    Jan
    
    > 
    > The USENET community seems to think that there would be a mass exodus from 
    > the lists to usenet ... based on past discussions concerning moving some 
    > stuff out of email to stuff like bug trackers, I don't believe this to be 
    > the case, but am curious what the opinion of other developers happens to 
    > be ... would a USENET group actually be preferrable?
    > 
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