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  1. PostgreSQL site, put up or shut up?

    Mark Woodward <pgsql@mohawksoft.com> — 2003-01-07T22:10:17Z

    This is a serious inquiry, very serious. People are complaining about ads.

What do we need in the form of equipment, bandwidth, etc.

  2. Re: PostgreSQL site, put up or shut up?

    Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> — 2003-01-07T22:46:49Z

    On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, mlw wrote:

> This is a serious inquiry, very serious. People are complaining about ads.
>
> What do we need in the form of equipment, bandwidth, etc.

FTP is just over 800MB, plan for growth.
WEB is just over 90MB, can't tell you what to plan for there.

On www/ftp.us I don't even notice the bandwidth, it's less than the normal
traffic for Pop4 (an ISP) and the streaming audio uses up even more than
that.

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  3. Re: PostgreSQL site, put up or shut up?

    Greg Copeland <greg@copelandconsulting.net> — 2003-01-07T23:02:17Z

    On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 16:46, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, mlw wrote:
> 
> > This is a serious inquiry, very serious. People are complaining about ads.
> >
> > What do we need in the form of equipment, bandwidth, etc.
> 
> FTP is just over 800MB, plan for growth.
> WEB is just over 90MB, can't tell you what to plan for there.
> 
> On www/ftp.us I don't even notice the bandwidth, it's less than the normal
> traffic for Pop4 (an ISP) and the streaming audio uses up even more than
> that.
> 
> Vince.


I guess I don't understand the problem.  The ads are very small and
completely innocuous.  Why would anyone care?  Who's complaining and
why?


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  4. Re: PostgreSQL site, put up or shut up?

    Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> — 2003-01-07T23:07:36Z

    On 7 Jan 2003, Greg Copeland wrote:

> On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 16:46, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> > On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, mlw wrote:
> >
> > > This is a serious inquiry, very serious. People are complaining about ads.
> > >
> > > What do we need in the form of equipment, bandwidth, etc.
> >
> > FTP is just over 800MB, plan for growth.
> > WEB is just over 90MB, can't tell you what to plan for there.
> >
> > On www/ftp.us I don't even notice the bandwidth, it's less than the normal
> > traffic for Pop4 (an ISP) and the streaming audio uses up even more than
> > that.
> >
> > Vince.
>
>
> I guess I don't understand the problem.  The ads are very small and
> completely innocuous.  Why would anyone care?  Who's complaining and
> why?

Some folks hate to see ads, some don't.  If they were popups or really
obnoxious I could see it as a problem, but not them little things.

Vince.
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  5. Re: PostgreSQL site, put up or shut up?

    Kevin Brown <kevin@sysexperts.com> — 2003-01-13T06:03:46Z

    Greg Copeland wrote:
> I guess I don't understand the problem.  The ads are very small and
> completely innocuous.  Why would anyone care?  Who's complaining and
> why?

When I loaded the new site for the first time (after the ads were
placed there), the ads stalled the loading process until I simply got
fed up, hit the "stop" button, and told my browser to ignore all
images from the server the ads were coming from.

I have no problem with ads being put there, but they should load at
least as fast as the rest of the site.  They do so currently, but not
always, it seems...


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  6. Re: PostgreSQL site, put up or shut up?

    Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder <avbidder@fortytwo.ch> — 2003-01-13T07:20:30Z

    On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 07:03, Kevin Brown wrote:

> I have no problem with ads being put there, but they should load at
> least as fast as the rest of the site.

Huh!?

:-)

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  7. Re: PostgreSQL site, put up or shut up?

    Greg Sabino Mullane <greg@turnstep.com> — 2003-01-13T14:20:07Z

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> I have no problem with ads being put there, but they should load at
> least as fast as the rest of the site.  They do so currently, but not
> always, it seems...

The ads are coming from another site, ads.area902.com; thus they are at the 
mercy of the speed of that site. However, from the Area902.com home page:

"Welcome to area902.com. Our site is a new way to understand more about 
Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island.
...
Area902.Com is a Free Service provided by Hub.Org Networking Services"

Because hub.org is also displaying the postgresql.org page on the same subnet, 
so the disparity should in theory be quite controllable. *If* we are going 
to keep the ads (and my vote is a strong nay), can we not just have them 
served from the same computer and domain?

> FTP is just over 800MB, plan for growth.
> WEB is just over 90MB, can't tell you what to plan for there.

Sorry to be dense, but what time period is this for?

> On www/ftp.us I don't even notice the bandwidth, it's less than the normal
> traffic for Pop4 (an ISP) and the streaming audio uses up even more than
> that.

Sounds like the mirrors could easily absorb more of the traffic from the 
main page, especially once we get an easier mirroring system in place.


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  8. Re: PostgreSQL site, put up or shut up?

    Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> — 2003-01-13T14:45:41Z

    On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 greg@turnstep.com wrote:

> > FTP is just over 800MB, plan for growth.
> > WEB is just over 90MB, can't tell you what to plan for there.
>
> Sorry to be dense, but what time period is this for?

Any given day.  It's disk space, not traffic.

> > On www/ftp.us I don't even notice the bandwidth, it's less than the normal
> > traffic for Pop4 (an ISP) and the streaming audio uses up even more than
> > that.
>
> Sounds like the mirrors could easily absorb more of the traffic from the
> main page, especially once we get an easier mirroring system in place.

The mirrors now consist of the Users Lounge - links, docs and mailing list
info.  If it shrinks much more there won't be any reason to mirror.

Vince.
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  9. Re: PostgreSQL site, put up or shut up?

    Dan Langille <dan@langille.org> — 2003-01-13T14:56:11Z

    On 13 Jan 2003 at 9:45, Vince Vielhaber wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 greg@turnstep.com wrote:
> 
> > > FTP is just over 800MB, plan for growth.
> > > WEB is just over 90MB, can't tell you what to plan for there.
> >
> > Sorry to be dense, but what time period is this for?
> 
> Any given day.  It's disk space, not traffic.

I think anyone thinking of putting up a mirror will want to know 
traffic volumes.
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  10. Re: PostgreSQL site, put up or shut up?

    Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> — 2003-01-13T15:01:38Z

    On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Dan Langille wrote:

> On 13 Jan 2003 at 9:45, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 greg@turnstep.com wrote:
> >
> > > > FTP is just over 800MB, plan for growth.
> > > > WEB is just over 90MB, can't tell you what to plan for there.
> > >
> > > Sorry to be dense, but what time period is this for?
> >
> > Any given day.  It's disk space, not traffic.
>
> I think anyone thinking of putting up a mirror will want to know
> traffic volumes.

The only info I could give was what I already did.  My above statement
was to clarify the above numbers.

Vince.
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  11. Re: PostgreSQL site, put up or shut up?

    Ross Reedstrom <reedstrm@rice.edu> — 2003-01-13T15:15:30Z

    On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 10:01:38AM -0500, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Dan Langille wrote:
> 
> > On 13 Jan 2003 at 9:45, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 greg@turnstep.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > > FTP is just over 800MB, plan for growth.
> > > > > WEB is just over 90MB, can't tell you what to plan for there.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to be dense, but what time period is this for?
> > >
> > > Any given day.  It's disk space, not traffic.
> >
> > I think anyone thinking of putting up a mirror will want to know
> > traffic volumes.
> 
> The only info I could give was what I already did.  My above statement
> was to clarify the above numbers.

And there was a statement upthread from someone (Marc?) indicating that
the bandwidth was down in the noise for them (as an ISP).

Ross

  12. Re: PostgreSQL site, put up or shut up?

    Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> — 2003-01-13T15:22:21Z

    On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 10:01:38AM -0500, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> > On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Dan Langille wrote:
> >
> > > On 13 Jan 2003 at 9:45, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 greg@turnstep.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > FTP is just over 800MB, plan for growth.
> > > > > > WEB is just over 90MB, can't tell you what to plan for there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry to be dense, but what time period is this for?
> > > >
> > > > Any given day.  It's disk space, not traffic.
> > >
> > > I think anyone thinking of putting up a mirror will want to know
> > > traffic volumes.
> >
> > The only info I could give was what I already did.  My above statement
> > was to clarify the above numbers.
>
> And there was a statement upthread from someone (Marc?) indicating that
> the bandwidth was down in the noise for them (as an ISP).

That was me and what I was referring to with, "The only info I could give
was what I already did."

Vince.
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  13. Re: PostgreSQL site, put up or shut up?

    Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> — 2003-01-13T22:49:54Z

    greg@turnstep.com wrote:
> Area902.Com is a Free Service provided by Hub.Org Networking Services"
> 
> Because hub.org is also displaying the postgresql.org page on the same subnet, 
> so the disparity should in theory be quite controllable. *If* we are going 
> to keep the ads (and my vote is a strong nay), can we not just have them 
> served from the same computer and domain?

Don't do that!  Then I can't do "Block all ads from this server" in
Mozilla.  :-)

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