Re: Removing unneeded self joins

Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org>

From: "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>

To: Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>

Cc: Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>, Alexander Kuzmenkov <a.kuzmenkov@postgrespro.ru>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>

Date: 2018-05-16T20:36:51Z

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Remove GUC_NOT_IN_SAMPLE from enable_self_join_elimination
- 717d0e8dd945 18.0 landed
Put enable_self_join_elimination into postgresql.conf.sample
- c2d329260cd8 18.0 landed
Get rid of ojrelid local variable in remove_rel_from_query()
- e167191dc146 18.0 landed
Implement Self-Join Elimination
- fc069a3a6319 18.0 cited
Revert: Remove useless self-joins
- d1d286d83c0e 17.0 landed
Replace lateral references to removed rels in subqueries
- 466979ef031a 17.0 landed
Replace relids in lateral subquery parse tree during SJE
- 489072ab7a9e 17.0 landed
Forbid SJE with result relation
- 8c441c082797 17.0 landed
Fix misuse of RelOptInfo.unique_for_rels cache by SJE
- 30b4955a4668 17.0 landed
Replace the relid in some missing fields during SJE
- a7928a57b9f0 17.0 landed
Revert 56-bit relfilenode change and follow-up commits.
- a448e49bcbe4 16.0 cited
Stabilize timetz test across DST transitions.
- 4a071afbd056 14.0 cited
Speed up finding EquivalenceClasses for a given set of rels
- 3373c7155350 13.0 cited
Fix mark-and-restore-skipping test case to not be a self-join.
- 24d08f3c0a1f 12.0 landed

> On May 16, 2018, at 1:58 PM, Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 2018-05-16 12:26:48 -0400, Robert Haas wrote:
>> Also, I'm not sure that I believe that it's always easy to avoid
>> generating such queries.
> 
> Yea. There's obviously plenty cases where ORMs just want to make the
> database hurt. But especially when building a join between a number of
> tables based on various fields, it's not going to be easy for the ORM to
> figure out which ones can be safely omitted. It'd need similar
> optimization as we'd have to do, without having the infrastructure core
> PG has.  And then there's, as you say, views etc…

Are there specific examples of what the ORM code is that generated
the SQL? I’m more curious to see what people are writing that
generates such code. As earlier mentioned we could always report back
to the specific ORM maintainer(s) such examples and see if they could
tweak.

Jonathan