Re: 64-bit XIDs in deleted nbtree pages
Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie>
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 8:14 AM Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com> wrote: > By this patch series, btree indexes became like hash indexes in terms > of amvacuumcleanup. We do an index scan at btvacuumcleanup() in the > two cases: metapage upgrading and more than 5% > deleted-but-not-yet-recycled pages. Both cases seem rare cases. So do > we want to disable parallel index cleanup for btree indexes like hash > indexes? That is, remove VACUUM_OPTION_PARALLEL_COND_CLEANUP from > amparallelvacuumoptions. My recent "Recycle nbtree pages deleted during same VACUUM" commit improved the efficiency of recycling, but I still think that it was a bit of a hack. Or at least it didn't go far enough in fixing the old design, which is itself a bit of a hack. As I said back on February 15, a truly good design for nbtree page deletion + recycling would have crash safety built in. If page deletion itself is crash safe, it really makes sense to make everything crash safe (especially because we're managing large chunks of equisized free space, unlike in heapam). And as I also said back then, a 100% crash-safe design could naturally shift the problem of nbtree page recycle safety from the producer/VACUUM side, to the consumer/_bt_getbuf() side. It should be completely separated from when VACUUM runs, and what VACUUM can discover about recycle safety in passing, at the end. That approach would completely eliminate the need to do any work in btvacuumcleanup(), which would make it natural to remove VACUUM_OPTION_PARALLEL_COND_CLEANUP from nbtree -- the implementation of btvacuumcleanup() would just look like hashvacuumcleanup() does now -- it could do practically nothing, making this 100% okay. For now I have my doubts that it is appropriate to make this change. It seems as if the question of whether or not VACUUM_OPTION_PARALLEL_COND_CLEANUP should be used is basically the same question as "Does the vacuumcleanup() callback for this index AM look exactly like hashvacuumcleanup()?". > IMO we can live with the current > configuration just in case where the user runs into such rare > situations (especially for the latter case). In most cases, parallel > vacuum workers for index cleanup might exit with no-op but the > side-effect (wasting resources and overhead etc) would not be big. If > we want to enable it only in particular cases, we would need to have > another way for index AM to tell lazy vacuum whether or not to allow a > parallel worker to process the index at that time. What do you think? I am concerned about unintended consequences, like never noticing that we should really recycle known deleted pages not yet placed in the FSM (it's hard to think through very rare cases like this with confidence). Is it really so bad if we launch parallel workers that we don't really need for a parallel VACUUM? -- Peter Geoghegan
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Recycle nbtree pages deleted during same VACUUM.
- 9dd963ae2534 14.0 landed
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VACUUM VERBOSE: Count "newly deleted" index pages.
- 237636183909 14.0 landed
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Use full 64-bit XIDs in deleted nbtree pages.
- e5d8a9990304 14.0 landed
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Fix nbtree cleanup-only VACUUM stats inaccuracies.
- 48e1291342dd 14.0 cited
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Fix undercounting in VACUUM VERBOSE output.
- 73a076b03f1c 13.0 cited
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Delete empty pages in each pass during GIST VACUUM.
- 4e514c6180fb 13.0 cited
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Use full 64-bit XID for checking if a deleted GiST page is old enough.
- 6655a7299d83 13.0 cited
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Allow VACUUM to be run with index cleanup disabled.
- a96c41feec6b 12.0 cited
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Skip full index scan during cleanup of B-tree indexes when possible
- 857f9c36cda5 11.0 cited
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Do index FSM vacuuming sooner.
- c79f6df75dd3 11.0 cited
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Avoid early reuse of btree pages, causing incorrect query results.
- d3abbbebe52e 9.2.0 cited
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Clean up API for ambulkdelete/amvacuumcleanup as per today's discussion.
- e57345975cf8 8.2.0 cited