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VACUUM ANALYZE: Always update pg_class.reltuples.
- 5f8727f5a679 14.0 landed
- 1fc5a57386d1 13.3 landed
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Don't consider newly inserted tuples in nbtree VACUUM.
- 9f3665fbfc34 14.0 landed
- 9663d124466f 13.3 landed
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Fix nbtree cleanup-only VACUUM stats inaccuracies.
- 48e1291342dd 14.0 cited
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Disable recheck_on_update optimization to avoid crashes.
- 5d28c9bd73e2 12.0 cited
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Fix VACUUM so that it always updates pg_class.reltuples/relpages.
- b4b6923e03f4 9.1.0 cited
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Clean up API for ambulkdelete/amvacuumcleanup as per today's discussion.
- e57345975cf8 8.2.0 cited
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First steps towards statistics on expressional (nee functional) indexes.
- f0c9397f8085 8.0.0 cited
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Removing vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor
Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com> — 2021-03-02T06:33:14Z
Hi all, I've started this new thread separated from the thread[1] to discuss removing vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor GUC parameter proposed by Peter Geoghegan. btvacuumcleanup() has been playing two roles: recycling deleted pages and collecting index statistics. This discussion focuses on the latter. Since PG11, btvacuumcleanup() uses vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor as a threshold to do an index scan to update index statistics (pg_class.reltuples and pg_class.relpages). Therefore, even if there is no update on the btree index at all (e.g., btbulkdelete() was not called earlier), btvacuumcleanup() scans the whole index to collect the index statistics if the number of newly inserted tuples exceeds the vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor fraction of the total number of heap tuples detected by the previous statistics collection. On the other hand, those index statistics are updated also by ANALYZE and autoanalyze. pg_class.reltuples calculated by ANALYZE is an estimation whereas the value returned by btvacuumcleanup() is an accurate value. But perhaps we can rely on ANALYZE and autoanalyze to update those index statistics. The points of this discussion are what we really need to do in btvacuumcleanup() and whether btvacuumcleanup() really needs to do an index scan for the purpose of index statistics update. The original design that made VACUUM set pg_class.reltuples/pg_class.relpages in indexes (from 15+ years ago) assumed that it was cheap to handle statistics in passing. Even if we have btvacuumcleanup() not do an index scan at all, this is 100% allowed by the amvacuumcleanup contract described in the documentation: "It is OK to return NULL if the index was not changed at all during the VACUUM operation, but otherwise correct stats should be returned." The above description was added by commit e57345975cf in 2006 and hasn't changed for now. For instance, looking at hash indexes, it hasn't really changed since 2006 in terms of amvacuumcleanup(). hashvacuumcleanup() simply sets stats->num_pages and stats->num_index_tuples without an index scan. I'd like to quote the in-depth analysis by Peter Geoghegan: ----- /* * Post-VACUUM cleanup. * * Result: a palloc'd struct containing statistical info for VACUUM displays. */ IndexBulkDeleteResult * hashvacuumcleanup(IndexVacuumInfo *info, IndexBulkDeleteResult *stats) { Relation rel = info->index; BlockNumber num_pages; /* If hashbulkdelete wasn't called, return NULL signifying no change */ /* Note: this covers the analyze_only case too */ if (stats == NULL) return NULL; /* update statistics */ num_pages = RelationGetNumberOfBlocks(rel); stats->num_pages = num_pages; return stats; } Clearly hashvacuumcleanup() was considered by Tom when he revised the documentation in 2006. Here are some observations about hashvacuumcleanup() that seem relevant now: * There is no "analyze_only" handling, just like nbtree. "analyze_only" is only used by GIN, even now, 15+ years after it was added. GIN uses it to make autovacuum workers (never VACUUM outside of an AV worker) do pending list insertions for ANALYZE -- just to make it happen more often. This is a niche thing -- clearly we don't have to care about it in nbtree, even if we make btvacuumcleanup() (almost) always return NULL when there was no btbulkdelete() call. * num_pages (which will become pg_class.relpages for the index) is not set when we return NULL -- hashvacuumcleanup() assumes that ANALYZE will get to it eventually in the case where VACUUM does no real work (when it just returns NULL). * We also use RelationGetNumberOfBlocks() to set pg_class.relpages for index relations during ANALYZE -- it's called when we call vac_update_relstats() (I quoted this do_analyze_rel() code to you directly in a recent email). * In general, pg_class.relpages isn't an estimate (because we use RelationGetNumberOfBlocks(), both in the VACUUM-updates case and the ANALYZE-updates case) -- only pg_class.reltuples is truly an estimate during ANALYZE, and so getting a "true count" seems to have only limited practical importance. I think that this sets a precedent in support of my view that we can simply get rid of vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor without any special effort to maintain pg_class.reltuples. As I said before, we can safely make btvacuumcleanup() just like hashvacuumcleanup(), except when there are known deleted-but-not-recycled pages, where a full index scan really is necessary for reasons that are not related to statistics at all (of course we still need the *logic* that was added to nbtree by the vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor commit -- that is clearly necessary). My guess is that Tom would have made btvacuumcleanup() look identical to hashvacuumcleanup() in 2006 if nbtree didn't have page deletion to consider -- but that had to be considered. ----- The above discussions make sense to me as a support for the "removing vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor GUC" proposal. The difference between the index statistics taken by ANALYZE and btvacuumcleanup() is that the former statistics is always an estimation. That’s calculated by compute_index_stats() whereas the latter uses the result of an index scan. If btvacuumcleanup() doesn’t scan the index and always returns NULL, it would become hard to collect accurate index statistics, for example in a static table case. But if collecting an accurate pg_class.reltuples is not important in practice, I agree that we don't need btvacuumcleanup() to do an index scan for collecting statistics purposes. What do you think about removing vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor parameter? and we'd like to ask the design principles of amvacuumcleanup() considered in 2006 by various hackers (mostly Tom). What do you think, Tom? Regards, [1] https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CAH2-WznUWHOL%2BnYYT2PLsn%2B3OWcq8OBfA1sB3FX885rE%3DZQVvA%40mail.gmail.com -- Masahiko Sawada EDB: https://www.enterprisedb.com/ -
Re: Removing vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor
Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> — 2021-03-03T02:01:58Z
On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 10:33 PM Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com> wrote: > The original design that made VACUUM set > pg_class.reltuples/pg_class.relpages in indexes (from 15+ years ago) > assumed that it was cheap to handle statistics in passing. Even if we > have btvacuumcleanup() not do an index scan at all, this is 100% > allowed by the amvacuumcleanup contract described in the > documentation: > > "It is OK to return NULL if the index was not changed at all during > the VACUUM operation, but otherwise correct stats should be returned." > > The above description was added by commit e57345975cf in 2006 and > hasn't changed for now. The intention here is not to revise the amvacuumcleanup() contract -- the contract already allows us to do what we want inside nbtree. We want to teach btvacuumcleanup() to not do any real work, at least outside of rare cases where we have known deleted pages that must still be placed in the FSM for recycling -- btvacuumcleanup() would generally just return NULL when there was no btbulkdelete() call during the same VACUUM operation (the main thing that prevents this today is vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor). More generally, we would like to change the *general* expectations that we make of index AMs in places like vacuumlazy.c and analyze.c. But we're worried about dependencies that aren't formalized anywhere but still matter -- code may have evolved to assume that index AMs behaved a certain way in common and important cases (probably also in code like vacuumlazy.c). That's what we want to avoid breaking. Masahiko has already given an example of such a problem: currently, VACUUM ANALYZE simply assumes that its VACUUM will call each indexes' amvacuumcleanup() routine in all cases, and will have each call set pg_class.reltuples and pg_class.relpages in respect of each index. ANALYZE therefore avoids overwriting indexes' pg_class stats inside do_analyze_rel() (at the point where it calls vac_update_relstats() for each index). That approach is already wrong with hash indexes, but under this new directly for btvacuumcleanup(), it would become wrong in just the same way with nbtree indexes (if left unaddressed). Clearly "the letter of the law" and "the spirit of the law" must both be considered. We want to talk about the latter on this thread. Concretely, here are specific questions (perhaps Tom can weigh in on these as the principal designer of the relevant interfaces): 1. Any objections to the idea of teaching VACUUM ANALYZE to distinguish between the cases where VACUUM ran and performed "real index vacuuming", to make it more intelligent about overwriting pg_class stats for indexes? I define "real index vacuuming" as calling any indexes ambulkdelete() routine. 2. Does anybody anticipate any other issues? Possibly an issue that resembles this existing known VACUUM ANALYZE issue? Thanks -- Peter Geoghegan
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Re: Removing vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor
Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> — 2021-03-08T21:00:56Z
On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 6:01 PM Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> wrote: > 1. Any objections to the idea of teaching VACUUM ANALYZE to > distinguish between the cases where VACUUM ran and performed "real > index vacuuming", to make it more intelligent about overwriting > pg_class stats for indexes? I think that a simpler approach would work better: When ANALYZE/do_analyze_rel() decides whether or not it should call vac_update_relstats() for each index, it should simply not care whether or not this is a VACUUM ANALYZE (as opposed to a simple ANALYZE). This is already what we do for the heap relation itself. Why shouldn't we do something similar for indexes? What do you think, Tom? Your bugfix commit b4b6923e03f from 2011 taught do_analyze_rel() to not care about whether VACUUM took place earlier in the same command -- though only in the case of the heap relation (not in the case of its indexes). That decision now seems a bit arbitrary to me. I should point out that this is the *opposite* of what we did from 2004 - 2011 (following Tom's 2004 commit f0c9397f808). During that time the policy was to not update pg_class.reltuples inside do_analyze_rel() when we knew that VACUUM ran. The policy was at least the same for indexes and the heap/table during this period, so it was consistent in that sense. However, I don't think that we should reintroduce that policy now. Doing so would be contrary to the API contract for index AMs established by Tom's 2006 commit e57345975cf -- that allowed amvacuumcleanup() to be a no-op when there was no ambulkdelete() call (it also taught hashvacuumcleanup() to do just that). To recap, our ultimate goal here is to make btvacuumcleanup() close to hashvacuumcleanup() -- it should be able to skip all cleanup when there was no btbulkdelete() call during the same VACUUM (nbtree page deletion still has cases that force us to do real work in the absence of a btbulkdelete() call for the VACUUM, but that remaining exception should be very rare). -- Peter Geoghegan
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Re: Removing vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2021-03-08T21:38:55Z
Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> writes: > I think that a simpler approach would work better: When > ANALYZE/do_analyze_rel() decides whether or not it should call > vac_update_relstats() for each index, it should simply not care > whether or not this is a VACUUM ANALYZE (as opposed to a simple > ANALYZE). This is already what we do for the heap relation itself. Why > shouldn't we do something similar for indexes? > What do you think, Tom? Your bugfix commit b4b6923e03f from 2011 > taught do_analyze_rel() to not care about whether VACUUM took place > earlier in the same command -- though only in the case of the heap > relation (not in the case of its indexes). That decision now seems a > bit arbitrary to me. Well, nobody had complained about the index stats at that point, so I don't think I was thinking about that aspect of it. As you say, the history here is a bit convoluted, but it seems like a good principle to avoid interconnections between VACUUM and ANALYZE as much as we can. I haven't been paying enough attention to this thread to have more insight than that. regards, tom lane
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Re: Removing vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor
Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> — 2021-03-08T22:35:03Z
On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:38 PM Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > As you say, the history here is a bit convoluted, but it seems like > a good principle to avoid interconnections between VACUUM and ANALYZE > as much as we can. I haven't been paying enough attention to this > thread to have more insight than that. The attached patch does what I proposed earlier today: it teaches do_analyze_rel() to always set pg_class.reltuples for indexes when it would do the same thing for the heap/table relation already. It's now uniform in that sense. Also included is a patch that removes the vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor mechanism for triggering an index scan during VACUUM -- that's what the second patch does (this depends on the first patch, really). Do you think that a backpatch to Postgres 13 for both of these patches would be acceptable? There are two main concerns that I have in mind here, both of which are only issues in Postgres 13: 1. Arguably the question of skipping scanning the index should have been considered by the autovacuum_vacuum_insert_scale_factor patch when it was committed for Postgres 13 -- but it wasn't. There is a regression that was tied to autovacuum_vacuum_insert_scale_factor in Postgres 13 by Mark Callaghan: https://smalldatum.blogspot.com/2021/01/insert-benchmark-postgres-is-still.html The blog post says: "Updates - To understand the small regression mentioned above for the l.i1 test (more CPU & write IO) I repeated the test with 100M rows using 2 configurations: one disabled index deduplication and the other disabled insert-triggered autovacuum. Disabling index deduplication had no effect and disabling insert-triggered autovacuum resolves the regression." I think that this regression is almost entirely explainable by the need to unnecessarily scan indexes for autovacuum VACUUMs that just need to set the visibility map. This issue is basically avoidable, just by removing the vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor cleanup-only VACUUM criteria (per my second patch). 2. I fixed a bug in nbtree deduplication btvacuumcleanup() stats in commit 48e12913. This fix still left things in kind of a bad state: there are still cases where the btvacuumcleanup()-only VACUUM case will set pg_class.reltuples to a value that is significantly below what it should be (it all depends on how effective deduplication is with the data). These remaining cases are effectively fixed by the second patch. I probably should have made btvacuumcleanup()-only VACUUMs set "stats->estimate_count = true" when I was working on the fix that became commit 48e12913. Purely because my approach was inherently approximate with posting list tuples, and so shouldn't be trusted for anything important (num_index_tuples is suitable for VACUUM VERBOSE output only in affected cases). I didn't set "stats->estimate_count = true" in affected cases because I was worried about unforeseen consequences. But this seems defensible now, all things considered. There are other things that are slightly broken but will be fixed by the first patch. But I'm really just worried about these two cases in Postgres 13. Thanks for weighing in -- Peter Geoghegan
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Re: Removing vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor
Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com> — 2021-03-09T06:21:13Z
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 7:35 AM Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:38 PM Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > > As you say, the history here is a bit convoluted, but it seems like > > a good principle to avoid interconnections between VACUUM and ANALYZE > > as much as we can. I haven't been paying enough attention to this > > thread to have more insight than that. > > The attached patch does what I proposed earlier today: it teaches > do_analyze_rel() to always set pg_class.reltuples for indexes when it > would do the same thing for the heap/table relation already. It's now > uniform in that sense. Thank you for the patches. I looked at 0001 patch and have a comment: + * We don't report to the stats collector here because the stats collector + * only tracks per-table stats. Reset the changes_since_analyze counter + * only if we analyzed all columns; otherwise, there is still work for + * auto-analyze to do. I think the comment becomes clearer if we add "if doing inherited stats" at top of the above paragraph since we actually report to the stats collector in !inh case. > > Also included is a patch that removes the > vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor mechanism for triggering an index > scan during VACUUM -- that's what the second patch does (this depends > on the first patch, really). 0002 patch looks good to me. Regards, -- Masahiko Sawada EDB: https://www.enterprisedb.com/
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Re: Removing vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor
Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> — 2021-03-10T03:42:55Z
On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 10:21 PM Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you for the patches. I looked at 0001 patch and have a comment: > > + * We don't report to the stats collector here because the stats collector > + * only tracks per-table stats. Reset the changes_since_analyze counter > + * only if we analyzed all columns; otherwise, there is still work for > + * auto-analyze to do. > > I think the comment becomes clearer if we add "if doing inherited > stats" at top of the above paragraph since we actually report to the > stats collector in !inh case. I messed the comment up. Oops. Fixed now. > > Also included is a patch that removes the > > vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor mechanism for triggering an index > > scan during VACUUM -- that's what the second patch does (this depends > > on the first patch, really). > > 0002 patch looks good to me. Great. Attached revision has a bit more polish. It includes new commit messages which explains what we're really trying to fix here. I also included backpatchable versions for Postgres 13 -- that's the other significant change compared to the last version. My current plan is to commit everything within the next day or two. This includes backpatching to Postgres 13 only. I am now leaning against doing anything in Postgres 11 and 12, for the closely related btm_last_cleanup_num_heap_tuples VACUUM accuracy issue. There have been no complaints from users using Postgres 11 or 12, so I'll leave them alone. (Sorry for changing my mind again and again.) To be clear: I plan on disabling (though not removing) the vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor GUC and storage parameter on Postgres 13, even though that is a stable release. This approach is unorthodox, but it has a kind of a precedent -- the recheck_on_update storage param was disabled on the Postgres 11 branch by commit 5d28c9bd. More importantly, it just happens to make sense, given the specifics here. -- Peter Geoghegan
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Re: Removing vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor
Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> — 2021-03-11T01:11:58Z
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 7:42 PM Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> wrote: > My current plan is to commit everything within the next day or two. > This includes backpatching to Postgres 13 only. Pushed, thanks. -- Peter Geoghegan
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Re: Removing vacuum_cleanup_index_scale_factor
Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com> — 2021-03-11T02:00:38Z
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:12 AM Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 7:42 PM Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> wrote: > > My current plan is to commit everything within the next day or two. > > This includes backpatching to Postgres 13 only. > > Pushed, thanks. Great! Thank you! Regards, -- Masahiko Sawada EDB: https://www.enterprisedb.com/