Re: POC: enable logical decoding when wal_level = 'replica' without a server restart

On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 5:46 AM Amit Kapila <amit.kapila16@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 11:01 PM Masahiko Sawada <sawada.mshk@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would like to discuss behavioral and user interface considerations.
> >
> > Upon further analysis of this patch regarding the conversion of
> > wal_level to a SIGHUP parameter, I find that supporting all
> > combinations of wal_level value changes might make less sense.
> > Specifically, changing to or from 'minimal' would necessitate a
> > checkpoint, and reducing wal_level to 'minimal' would require
> > terminating physical replication, WAL archiving, and online backups.
> > While these operations demand careful consideration, there seems to be
> > no compelling use case for decreasing to 'minimal'. Furthermore,
> > increasing wal_level from 'minimal' is typically a one-time operation
> > during a database's lifetime. Therefore, we should weigh the benefits
> > against the implementation complexity.
> >
> > One solution is to manage the effective WAL level using two distinct
> > GUC parameters: max_wal_level and wal_level. max_wal_level would be a
> > POSTMASTER parameter controlling the system's maximum allowable WAL
> > level, with values 'minimal', 'replica', and 'logical'. wal_level
> > would function as a SIGHUP parameter managing the runtime WAL level,
> > accepting values 'replica', 'logical', and 'auto'. The selected value
> > must be either 'auto' or not exceed max_wal_level. When set to 'auto',
> > wal_level automatically synchronizes with max_wal_level's value. This
> > approach would enable online WAL level transitions between 'replica'
> > and 'logical'.
> >
> >
> > Regarding logical decoding on standbys, currently both primary and
> > standby servers must have wal_level set to 'logical'. We need to
> > determine the appropriate behavior when users decrease the WAL level
> > from 'logical' to 'replica' through configuration file reload.
> >
> > One approach would be to invalidate all logical replication slots on
> > the standby when transitioning to 'replica' WAL level. Although
> > incoming WAL records from the primary would still be written at
> > 'logical' level, making logical decoding technically feasible, this
> > behavior seems logical as it reflects the user's intent to discontinue
> > logical decoding on the standby. For consistency, we might need to
> > invalidate logical slots during server startup if the WAL level is
> > insufficient.
> >
> > Alternatively, we could permit logical decoding on the standby even
> > with wal_level set to 'replica'. However, this would necessitate
> > invalidating all logical replication slots during promotion,
> > potentially extending downtime during failover.
> >
>
> BTW, did we consider the idea to automatically transition to 'logical'
> when the first logical slot is created and transition back to
> 'replica' when last logical slot gets dropped? I see some ideas around
> this last time we discussed this topic.

Yes. Bertrand pointed out that a drawback is that the primary server
needs to create a logical slot in order to execute logical decoding on
the standbys[1].

Regards,

[1] https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/Z5DCm6xiBfbUdvX7%40ip-10-97-1-34.eu-west-3.compute.internal

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