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1. [PATCH] Fix pg_rewind false positives caused by shutdown-only WAL

   Srinath Reddy Sadipiralla <srinath2133@gmail.com> — 2025-09-06T16:33:45Z

   Hi all,
   
   While working with pg_rewind, I noticed that it can sometimes request a
   rewind even when no actual changes exist after a failover.
   
   *Problem:*
   Currently, pg_rewind determines the end-of-WAL on the target by using the
   last shutdown checkpoint (or minRecoveryPoint for a standby). This creates
   a false positive scenario:
   
   1)Suppose a standby is promoted to become the new primary.
   2)Later, the old primary is cleanly shut down.
   3)The only WAL record generated on the old primary after divergence is a
   shutdown checkpoint.
   
   At this point, the old primary and new primary contain identical data.
   However, since the shutdown checkpoint extends the WAL past the divergence
   point, pg_rewind concludes:
   
   if (target_wal_endrec > divergerec)
       rewind_needed = true;
   
   That forces a rewind even though there are no meaningful changes.
   
   To *reproduce this scenario* use the below attached script.
   
   *Fix:*
   The attached patch changes the logic so that pg_rewind no longer treats
   shutdown checkpoints as meaningful records when determining the end-of-WAL.
   Instead, we scan backward from the last checkpoint until we find the most
   recent valid WAL record that is not a shutdown-only related record.
   
   This ensures rewind is only triggered when there are actual modifications
   after divergence, avoiding unnecessary rewinds in clean failover scenarios.
   
   
   -- 
   Thanks,
   Srinath Reddy Sadipiralla
   EDB: https://www.enterprisedb.com/
   

2. Re: [PATCH] Fix pg_rewind false positives caused by shutdown-only WAL

   Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> — 2025-09-25T19:19:55Z

   On Sat, Sep 6, 2025 at 12:34 PM Srinath Reddy Sadipiralla
   <srinath2133@gmail.com> wrote:
   > While working with pg_rewind, I noticed that it can sometimes request a rewind even when no actual changes exist after a failover.
   >
   > Problem:
   > Currently, pg_rewind determines the end-of-WAL on the target by using the last shutdown checkpoint (or minRecoveryPoint for a standby). This creates a false positive scenario:
   >
   > 1)Suppose a standby is promoted to become the new primary.
   > 2)Later, the old primary is cleanly shut down.
   > 3)The only WAL record generated on the old primary after divergence is a shutdown checkpoint.
   >
   > At this point, the old primary and new primary contain identical data.
   
   This isn't true, because the control file changes when the shutdown
   checkpoint is written.
   
   Also, I think if you tested this even once, you'd find out that it
   doesn't actually work. At least, it doesn't work for me, and I don't
   see how it would work for you. I created a primary. Then I made a
   standby. Then I promoted the standby while doing a clean shutdown of
   the primary. Then I tried to restart the primary as a standby, and I
   get an infinite loop like this:
   
   2025-09-25 15:07:03.094 EDT [58031] FATAL:  terminating walreceiver
   process due to administrator command
   2025-09-25 15:07:03.094 EDT [56485] LOG:  new timeline 2 forked off
   current database system timeline 1 before current recovery point
   0/040000D8
   
   Now, admittedly, I didn't run pg_rewind here. But if I understand
   correctly, your patch's idea is to have pg_rewind say that everything
   is fine in this scenario. What it won't do is make postgres itself
   agree with that conclusion. I'm actually not sure the patch would have
   achieved that goal here, because the WAL actually looks like this:
   
   rmgr: Standby     len (rec/tot):     50/    50, tx:          0, lsn:
   0/04000028, prev 0/03000120, desc: RUNNING_XACTS nextXid 754
   latestCompletedXid 753 oldestRunningXid 754
   rmgr: XLOG        len (rec/tot):    114/   114, tx:          0, lsn:
   0/04000060, prev 0/04000028, desc: CHECKPOINT_SHUTDOWN redo
   0/04000060; tli 1; prev tli 1; fpw true; wal_level replica; xid 0:754;
   oid 14029; multi 1; offset 0; oldest xid 746 in DB 1; oldest multi 1
   in DB 1; oldest/newest commit timestamp xid: 0/0; oldest running xid
   0; shutdown
   
   Your patch doesn't seem to contain any logic to ignore RUNNING_XACTS,
   just CHECKPOINT_SHUTDOWN. So in this scenario it might have still
   thought a rewind was necessary. But I think this test case still makes
   the point that you can't just change pg_rewind if the server has a
   different idea about how things work.
   
   Also, the server is correct to be concerned about the control file
   changing, and your patch is wrong to try to ignore such a change. It's
   true that the control file is not a relation data file, but its
   contents are very important, and updates to them matter when deciding
   whether servers are in sync.
   
   Also, even if the idea of your patch were correct, the logic it uses
   to try to find an XLOG_CHECKPOINT_SHUTDOWN or XLOG_SWITCH record is
   wrong. It's mandatory to first test XLogRecGetRmid(xlogreader) against
   the appropriate RM_whatever_ID; see walsummarizer.c for an example of
   how to do this correctly.
   
   -- 
   Robert Haas
   EDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com
   
   
   
   

3. Re: [PATCH] Fix pg_rewind false positives caused by shutdown-only WAL

   BharatDB <bharatdbpg@gmail.com> — 2025-09-29T10:31:04Z

   *Dear Srinath,*
   
   *Subject:* [PATCH] pg_rewind: Ignore shutdown checkpoints when determining
   rewind necessity.
   
   While working with pg_rewind, I noticed that it can sometimes request a
   rewind even when no real changes exist after a failover. This happens
   because pg_rewind currently determines the end-of-WAL on the target using
   the last shutdown checkpoint (or minRecoveryPoint for a standby). In a
   clean failover scenario—where a standby is promoted and the old primary is
   later shut down—the only WAL record generated after divergence may be a
   shutdown checkpoint. Although the data on both nodes is identical, pg_rewind
   treats this shutdown record as meaningful and unnecessarily forces a
   rewind. The proposed patch fixes this by ignoring shutdown checkpoints (
   XLOG_CHECKPOINT_SHUTDOWN) when determining the end-of-WAL, scanning
   backward until a non-shutdown record is found. This ensures that rewinds
   are triggered only when actual modifications exist after divergence,
   avoiding unnecessary rewinds in clean failover situations.
   
   Also, with the proposed fix implemented in my local script, it gives the
   following results:
   
      -
   
      Old primary shuts down cleanly.
      -
   
      Standby is promoted successfully.
      -
   
      pg_rewind correctly detects no rewind is needed.
      -
   
      Data on both clusters matches perfectly.
   
   I believe this change will prevent unnecessary rewinds in production
   environments, improve reliability, and avoid potential confusion during
   failovers.
   
   Thank you for your consideration.
   
   Best regards,
   Soumya.
   
   
   On Sat, Sep 6, 2025 at 10:04 PM Srinath Reddy Sadipiralla <
   srinath2133@gmail.com> wrote:
   
   > Hi all,
   >
   > While working with pg_rewind, I noticed that it can sometimes request a
   > rewind even when no actual changes exist after a failover.
   >
   > *Problem:*
   > Currently, pg_rewind determines the end-of-WAL on the target by using the
   > last shutdown checkpoint (or minRecoveryPoint for a standby). This creates
   > a false positive scenario:
   >
   > 1)Suppose a standby is promoted to become the new primary.
   > 2)Later, the old primary is cleanly shut down.
   > 3)The only WAL record generated on the old primary after divergence is a
   > shutdown checkpoint.
   >
   > At this point, the old primary and new primary contain identical data.
   > However, since the shutdown checkpoint extends the WAL past the divergence
   > point, pg_rewind concludes:
   >
   > if (target_wal_endrec > divergerec)
   >     rewind_needed = true;
   >
   > That forces a rewind even though there are no meaningful changes.
   >
   > To *reproduce this scenario* use the below attached script.
   >
   > *Fix:*
   > The attached patch changes the logic so that pg_rewind no longer treats
   > shutdown checkpoints as meaningful records when determining the end-of-WAL.
   > Instead, we scan backward from the last checkpoint until we find the most
   > recent valid WAL record that is not a shutdown-only related record.
   >
   > This ensures rewind is only triggered when there are actual modifications
   > after divergence, avoiding unnecessary rewinds in clean failover scenarios.
   >
   >
   > --
   > Thanks,
   > Srinath Reddy Sadipiralla
   > EDB: https://www.enterprisedb.com/
   >
   

4. Re: [PATCH] Fix pg_rewind false positives caused by shutdown-only WAL

   Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> — 2025-09-29T14:17:05Z

   On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 6:30 AM BharatDB <bharatdbpg@gmail.com> wrote:
   > Dear Srinath,
   
   This is a really weird email. First, it doesn't address my objections
   from September 25th. Second, the email is from BharatDB
   <bharatdbpg@gmail.com>, the email signature says it's from "Soumya",
   and the patch within is from manimurali1993
   <manimurali1993@gamil.com>.
   
   -- 
   Robert Haas
   EDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com
   
   
   
   

5. Re: [PATCH] Fix pg_rewind false positives caused by shutdown-only WAL

   BharatDB <bharatdbpg@gmail.com> — 2025-09-30T05:30:48Z

   Dear Robert.
   
   With regard to the mail, I firstly apologise for the confusion created
   regarding authorship. The patch was developed as part of my work in my
   official email id and the patch was committed under my personal GitHub
   account during collaborative development. Going forward, I will make sure
   the email address, signature, and patch author information are consistent
   to avoid any ambiguity in future. On reviewing your objections posted on
   September 25, I understood the following points :
   -
   
   1. Control file changes:
   You are correct that the control file always changes on shutdown, and that
   pg_rewind cannot simply ignore those updates. My earlier patch proposal did
   not address that, and I now understand why the server itself would reject a
   mismatch here.
   -
   
   2. Other WAL records (RUNNING_XACTS):
   I see now that a clean shutdown generates both RUNNING_XACTS and
   CHECKPOINT_SHUTDOWN. My patch only skipped over the latter, so in practice
   rewind would still be triggered incorrectly. I will extend the logic to
   also consider this sequence properly.
   -
   
   3. Server-side consistency:
   As noted, even if pg_rewind skips shutdown-only WAL records, the restarted
   old primary can still fail due to control file divergence (infinite loop
   issue). That means it needs a more holistic fix that considers both
   pg_rewind and server startup behavior.
   -
   
   4. RMID verification:
   I did not guard the filtering with an XLogRecGetRmid() check. I’ll fix this
   to avoid misclassification, following the walsummarizer.c example as you
   suggested.
   -
   
   Plan forward:
   
   
      -
   
      Revise the patch so that pg_rewind correctly checks RMIDs and handles
      both RUNNING_XACTS + CHECKPOINT_SHUTDOWN sequences, not just shutdown
      checkpoints.
      -
   
      Investigate whether control file normalization is required (or whether
      server-side startup logic also needs adjustments) so that an old primary
      can rejoin cleanly without looping.
      -
   
      Ensure consistent patch authorship (my name + email will match the
      commit and submission).
      -
   
      Add regression coverage under src/bin/pg_rewind/t/ to reproduce this
      clean-shutdown failover scenario automatically.
   
   - I’ll prepare and post a new version of the patch with these corrections.
   Looking forward for more suggestions from you.
   - Thank you for carefully reviewing and pointing out both the technical and
   process issues.
   -
   
   Best regards,
   Soumya
   
   On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 7:47 PM Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote:
   
   > On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 6:30 AM BharatDB <bharatdbpg@gmail.com> wrote:
   > > Dear Srinath,
   >
   > This is a really weird email. First, it doesn't address my objections
   > from September 25th. Second, the email is from BharatDB
   > <bharatdbpg@gmail.com>, the email signature says it's from "Soumya",
   > and the patch within is from manimurali1993
   > <manimurali1993@gamil.com>.
   >
   > --
   > Robert Haas
   > EDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com
   >
   

6. Re: [PATCH] Fix pg_rewind false positives caused by shutdown-only WAL

   Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> — 2025-09-30T14:38:38Z

   Hi,
   
   Please stop sending AI-generated messages that you haven't reviewed
   for accuracy. You now seem to be conflating what you did or didn't do
   with what Srinath did or didn't do. Unless BharatDB/Soumya/manimurali
   is the same person as Srinath, that's incorrect.
   
   The short version here is that this patch has no future because the
   entire premise of it is incorrect. There's no point in sending another
   version ever, as far as I can see. If you or anyone else disagrees, we
   should talk about that.
   
   -- 
   Robert Haas
   EDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com
   
   
   
   

7. Re: [PATCH] Fix pg_rewind false positives caused by shutdown-only WAL

   Srinath Reddy Sadipiralla <srinath2133@gmail.com> — 2025-09-30T17:24:39Z

   Hi Robert,
   
   On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 8:08 PM Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote:
   
   > Hi,
   >
   > Please stop sending AI-generated messages that you haven't reviewed
   > for accuracy. You now seem to be conflating what you did or didn't do
   > with what Srinath did or didn't do.
   
   
   +1
   
   
   > Unless BharatDB/Soumya/manimurali
   > is the same person as Srinath
   >
   
   no, i am the original Srinath (SrinathIsVerified) lol.
   
   
   >
   > The short version here is that this patch has no future because the
   > entire premise of it is incorrect. There's no point in sending another
   > version ever, as far as I can see. If you or anyone else disagrees, we
   > should talk about that.
   >
   
   Can you please once confirm this, did you mean that this is not even an
   actual problem to fix or only this patch's logic which I provided does
   not make sense?, because i am trying out come up with another patch based
   on your inputs regarding considering controlfile changes ,
   ignoring RUNNING_XACTS records, and to use XLogRecGetRmid test.
   
   
   -- 
   Thanks,
   Srinath Reddy Sadipiralla
   EDB: https://www.enterprisedb.com/
   

8. Re: [PATCH] Fix pg_rewind false positives caused by shutdown-only WAL

   Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> — 2025-10-01T12:40:26Z

   On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 1:24 PM Srinath Reddy Sadipiralla
   <srinath2133@gmail.com> wrote:
   > Can you please once confirm this, did you mean that this is not even an actual problem to fix or only this patch's logic which I provided does not make sense?, because i am trying out come up with another patch based on your inputs regarding considering controlfile changes , ignoring RUNNING_XACTS records, and to use XLogRecGetRmid test.
   
   Well, the patch's idea is that we can ignore certain WAL records when
   deciding whether pg_rewind is needed. But I do not think we can do
   that, because (1) those WAL records might do important things like
   update the control file and (2) the server will not be OK with
   ignoring those WAL records even if pg_rewind decides that they are not
   important. If you have a plan for working around those two issues,
   please say what your plan is. I don't personally see how it would be
   possible to work around those issues, but of course somebody else
   might have a good idea that has not occurred to me.
   
   -- 
   Robert Haas
   EDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com
   
   
   
   

9. Re: [PATCH] Fix pg_rewind false positives caused by shutdown-only WAL

   BharatDB <bharatdbpg@gmail.com> — 2025-10-22T12:59:25Z

   On Wed, Oct 1, 2025 at 6:10 PM Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote:
   
   > On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 1:24 PM Srinath Reddy Sadipiralla
   > <srinath2133@gmail.com> wrote:
   > > Can you please once confirm this, did you mean that this is not even an
   > actual problem to fix or only this patch's logic which I provided does not
   > make sense?, because i am trying out come up with another patch based on
   > your inputs regarding considering controlfile changes , ignoring
   > RUNNING_XACTS records, and to use XLogRecGetRmid test.
   >
   > Well, the patch's idea is that we can ignore certain WAL records when
   > deciding whether pg_rewind is needed. But I do not think we can do
   > that, because (1) those WAL records might do important things like
   > update the control file and (2) the server will not be OK with
   > ignoring those WAL records even if pg_rewind decides that they are not
   > important. If you have a plan for working around those two issues,
   > please say what your plan is. I don't personally see how it would be
   > possible to work around those issues, but of course somebody else
   > might have a good idea that has not occurred to me.
   >
   > --
   > Robert Haas
   > EDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com
   
   
   
   Hi all,
   With reference to the previous mail, I’d like to submit a small patch for
   pg_rewind to fix an issue with false-positive rewinds.
   The patch includes the following logic:
   
      - Control file changes: Detects benign shutdown checkpoint differences
      in the control file and prevents unnecessary rewinds.
      - Other WAL records (RUNNING_XACTS): Ensured that only meaningful WAL
      differences trigger rewinds, ignoring records that do not affect server
      consistency.
      - Server-side consistency: Maintains data integrity while skipping
      rewinds for harmless control file changes.
      - RMID verification: Confirms that WAL records are examined correctly
      using their Resource Manager IDs (RMID) to avoid misinterpreting benign
      differences.
   
   I added a simple check in pg_rewind to detect these benign control file
   differences. When such a difference is detected, pg_rewind skips the
   rewind, prints a log message and no false-positive changes are applied. This
   is implemented in the function control_diff_is_benign() and is integrated
   into the last checkpoint detection logic.
   I tested the logic with a small test script which automatically - initializes
   a primary cluster and inserts some test data, creates a standby using
   pg_basebackup,
   promotes the standby to primary, injects a benign control file change
   using pg_resetwal,
   runs pg_rewind and verifies that no rewind happens and confirms that data
   remains consistent between the clusters.
   
   After testing, I got the output as:test_pg_rewind_fix.sh)
   
   === 🧮 Test Setup ===
   PRIMARY PORT: 50584
   STANDBY PORT: 51636
   BASE DIR: /home/deepshikha/pg_rewind_test
   
   Cleaning workspace...
   Initializing primary cluster...
   initdb: warning: enabling "trust" authentication for local connections
   initdb: hint: You can change this by editing pg_hba.conf or using the
   option -A, or --auth-local and --auth-host, the next time you run initdb.
   waiting for server to start.... done
   server started
   Old primary WAL position: 0/01BA4B80
   Creating standby cluster via pg_basebackup...
   31374/31374 kB (100%), 1/1 tablespace
   waiting for server to start...... done
   server started
   waiting for server to promote.... done
   server promoted
   New promoted primary WAL position: 0/03000130
   Stopping old primary...
   waiting for server to shut down.... done
   server stopped
   === WAL Summary ===
   Old primary WAL: 0/01BA4B80
   New primary WAL: 0/03000130
   
   Injecting benign control file change (pg_resetwal)...
   Benign difference introduced.
   
   Running pg_rewind to test fix...
   --- pg_rewind output ---
   pg_rewind: servers diverged at WAL location 0/03000000 on timeline 1
   pg_rewind: benign shutdown checkpoint difference detected, skipping rewind
   pg_rewind: error: could not open file
   "/home/deepshikha/pg_rewind_test/primary/pg_wal/000000010000000000000003":
   No such file or directory
   pg_rewind: benign shutdown checkpoint difference detected, skipping rewind
   pg_rewind: rewinding from last common checkpoint at 0/000006F0 on timeline
   2796767292
   pg_rewind: error: could not open file
   "/home/deepshikha/pg_rewind_test/primary/pg_wal/000000010000000000000000":
   No such file or directory
   pg_rewind: error: could not read WAL record at 0/000006F0
   ------------------------
   
   waiting for server to start.... done
   server started
   === Data check ===
   Primary data:
    id |  data
   ----+---------
     1 | primary
     2 | wal1
     3 | wal2
   (3 rows)
   
   
   New primary data:
    id |  data
   ----+---------
     1 | primary
     2 | wal1
     3 | wal2
   (3 rows)
   
   
   PASS: Benign control file difference correctly detected. No false-positive
   rewind.
   
   === Test completed ===
   
   Note => PASS: Benign control file difference correctly detected. No
   false-positive rewind.
   
   This confirms that the patch works as expected, preventing unnecessary
   rewinds when the only difference between the old primary and the new
   primary is a benign shutdown checkpoint change.
   
   I Kindly request you to review the patch and please let me know if any
   additional details need to be focused on.
   
   Thanking you.
   
   
   Regards,
   
   Soumya