Re: [DOC] Document concurrent index builds waiting on each other
James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
From: James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
To: David Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
Cc: PostgreSQL Developers <pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org>
Date: 2020-07-31T18:51:09Z
Lists: pgsql-hackers
Attachments
- v2-0001-Document-concurrent-indexes-waiting-on-each-other.patch (application/octet-stream) patch v2-0001
- v2-0002-Document-vacuum-on-one-table-depending-on-concurr.patch (application/octet-stream) patch v2-0002
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 7:34 PM David Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote: > > The following review has been posted through the commitfest application: > make installcheck-world: not tested > Implements feature: not tested > Spec compliant: not tested > Documentation: tested, passed > > James, > > I'm on board with the point of pointing out explicitly the "concurrent index builds on multiple tables at the same time will not return on any one table until all have completed", with back-patching. I do not believe the new paragraph is necessary though. I'd suggest trying to weave it into the existing paragraph ending "Even then, however, the index may not be immediately usable for queries: in the worst case, it cannot be used as long as transactions exist that predate the start of the index build." Adding "Notably, " in front of the existing sentence fragment above and tacking it onto the end probably suffices. I'm not sure "the index may not be immediately usable for queries" is really accurate/sufficient: it seems to imply the CREATE INDEX has returned but for some reason the index isn't yet valid. The issue I'm trying to describe here is that the CREATE INDEX query itself will not return until all preceding queries have completed *including* concurrent index creations on unrelated tables. > I don't actually don't whether this is true behavior though. Is it something our tests do, or could, demonstrate? It'd take tests that exercise parallelism, but it's pretty simple to demonstrate (but you do have to catch the first index build in a scan phase, so you either need lots of data or a hack). Here's an example that uses a bit of a hack to simulate a slow scan phase: Setup: create table items(i int); create table others(i int); create function slow_expr() returns text as $$ select pg_sleep(15); select '5'; $$ language sql immutable; insert into items(i) values (1), (2); insert into others(i) values (1), (2); Then the following in order: 1. In session A: create index concurrently on items((i::text || slow_expr())); 2. In session B (at the same time): create index concurrently on others(i); You'll notice that the 2nd command, which should be practically instantaneous, waits on the first ~30s scan phase of (1) before it returns. The same is true if after (2) completes you immediately run it again -- it waits on the second ~30s scan phase of (1). That does reveal a bit of complexity though that that the current patch doesn't address, which is that this can be phase dependent (and that complexity gets a lot more non-obvious when there's real live activity (particularly long-running transactions) in the system as well. I've attached a new patch series with two items: 1. A simpler (and I believe more correct) doc changes for "cic blocks cic on other tables". 2. A patch to document that all index builds can prevent tuples from being vacuumed away on other tables. If it's preferable we could commit the first and discuss the second separately, but since that limitation was also discussed up-thread, I decided to include them both here for now. James
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Call out vacuum considerations in create index docs
- c285a244f6d3 13.2 landed
- 93c39f987e9c 14.0 landed
- 259b21233032 12.6 landed
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Document concurrent indexes waiting on each other
- ed9c9b033546 11.11 landed
- d3bd36a63d69 10.16 landed
- b3d33bf598dd 9.6.21 landed
- b2603f16ad75 12.6 landed
- 968a537b432e 9.5.25 landed
- 58ebe967f8a1 14.0 landed
- 3fe0e7c3fa27 13.2 landed
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snapshot scalability: Don't compute global horizons while building snapshots.
- dc7420c2c927 14.0 cited
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Remove PROC_IN_ANALYZE and derived flags
- cea3d5589865 14.0 landed
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Improve performance of get_actual_variable_range with recently-dead tuples.
- 3ca930fc39cc 11.0 cited