Re: role self-revocation

On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 2:05 PM Peter Eisentraut
<peter.eisentraut@enterprisedb.com> wrote:
> On 09.03.22 14:02, Robert Haas wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 7:55 AM Peter Eisentraut
> > <peter.eisentraut@enterprisedb.com> wrote:
> >> Do we have subtractive permissions today?
> >
> > Not in the GRANT/REVOKE sense, I think, but you can put a user in a
> > group and then mention that group in pg_hba.conf. And that line might
> > be "reject" or whatever.
>
> Well, you can always build an external system that looks at roles and
> does nonsensical things with it.  But the privilege system itself seems
> to be additive only.  Personally, I agree with the argument that there
> should not be any subtractive permissions.  The mental model where
> permissions are sort of keys to doors or boxes just doesn't work for that.

I mean, I didn't design pg_hba.conf, but I think it's part of the
database doing a reasonable thing, not an external system doing a
nonsensical thing.

I am not sure that I (or anyone) would endorse a system where you can
say something like GRANT NOT SELECT ON TABLE foo TO bar, essentially
putting a negative ACL into the system dictating that, regardless of
any other grants that may exist, foo should not be able to SELECT from
that table. But I think it's reasonable to use groups as a way of
referencing a defined collection of users for some purpose. The
pg_hba.conf thing is an example of that. You put all the users that
you want to be treated in a certain way for authentication purposes
into a group, and then you mention the group in the file, and it just
works. I don't find that an unreasonable design at all. We could've
created some other kind of grouping mechanism for such purposes that
is separate from the role system, but we didn't choose to do that. I
don't know if that was the absolute best possible decision or not, but
it doesn't seem like an especially bad choice.

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Robert Haas
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