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Re: make MaxBackends available in _PG_init

Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>

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From: Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
To: Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart@gmail.com>
Cc: Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>, Julien Rouhaud <rjuju123@gmail.com>, Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>, "Bossart, Nathan" <bossartn@amazon.com>, Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@oss.nttdata.com>, "wangsh.fnst@fujitsu.com" <wangsh.fnst@fujitsu.com>, Bharath Rupireddy <bharath.rupireddyforpostgres@gmail.com>, Greg Sabino Mullane <htamfids@gmail.com>, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>, "pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org" <pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org>
Date: 2022-04-12T19:12:42Z
Lists: pgsql-hackers 
On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 2:03 PM Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 10:44:27AM -0700, Andres Freund wrote:
> > On 2022-04-11 14:14:35 -0700, Nathan Bossart wrote:
> >> Here's a new patch set.  I've only changed 0003 as described above.  My
> >> apologies for the unnecessary round trip.
> >
> > ISTM we shouldn't apply 0002, 0003 to master before we've branches 15 off..
>
> That seems reasonable to me.

Gah, I hate putting this off for another year, but I guess I'm also
not convinced that 0003 has the right idea, so maybe it's for the
best. Here's what's bugging me: 0003 decrees that _PG_init() is the
Wrong Place to Adjust GUC Settings. Now, that begs the question: what
is the right place to adjust GUC settings? I argued upthread that
extensions shouldn't be overriding values from postgresql.conf at all,
but on further reflection I think there's at least one legitimate use
case for this sort of thing: some kind of auto-tuning module that, for
example, looks at how much memory you have and sets shared_buffers or
work_mem or something based on the result. It's arguable how well
something like this can actually work, but we probably shouldn't try
to prevent people from doing it. I'm a little less clear why Citus
thinks this is an appropriate thing for it to do, vs. telling the user
to configure a useful value, and I'd be curious to hear an explanation
around that.

But if there's even one use case where adjusting GUCs at this phase is
reasonable, then 0003 isn't really good enough. We need an 0004 that
provides a new hook in a place where such changes can safely be made.

Meanwhile, committed 0001.

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Robert Haas
EDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com

Commits

  1. Add a new shmem_request_hook hook.

  2. Remove non-functional code for unloading loadable modules.

  3. Fix misleading comments about background worker registration.

  4. Revert the addition of GetMaxBackends() and related stuff.

  5. Fix typo in multixact.c

  6. Reduce more the number of calls to GetMaxBackends()

  7. Remove MaxBackends variable in favor of GetMaxBackends() function.

  8. Fix comments about bgworker registration before MaxBackends initialization

  9. Fix bogus assertion in BootstrapModeMain().

  10. Make sure MaxBackends is always set