Re: Password identifiers, protocol aging and SCRAM protocol
José Luis Tallón <jltallon@adv-solutions.net>
From: José Luis Tallón <jltallon@adv-solutions.net>
To: Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>,
Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Cc: Julian Markwort <julian.markwort@uni-muenster.de>,
Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>, Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>,
David Steele <david@pgmasters.net>,
PostgreSQL mailing lists <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>,
Valery Popov <v.popov@postgrespro.ru>
Date: 2016-03-30T16:31:11Z
Lists: pgsql-hackers
On 03/30/2016 06:14 PM, Robert Haas wrote:
> So basically the use of the ENCRYPTED keyword means "if it does
> already seem to be the sort of MD5 blob we're expecting, turn it into
> that".
If it does NOT already seem to be... I guess?
> And we just rely on the format to distinguish between an MD5 verifier
> and an unencrypted password. Personally, I think a good start here,
> and I think you may have something like this in the patch already,
> would be to split rolpassword into two columns, say rolencryption and
> rolpassword.
This inches closer to Michael's suggestion to have multiple verifiers
per pg_authid user ...
> rolencryption says how the password verifier is encrypted and
> rolpassword contains the verifier itself. Initially, rolencryption
> will be 'plain' or 'md5', but later we can add 'scram' as another
> choice, or maybe it'll be more specific like 'scram-hmac-doodad'.
May I suggest using "{" <scheme>["."<encoding>] "}" just like Dovecot does?
e.g. "{md5.hex}e748797a605a1c95f3d6b5f140b2d528"
where no "{ ... }" prefix means just fallback to the old method of
trying to guess what the blob contains?
This would invalidate PLAIN passwords beginning with "{", though,
so some measures would be needed.
> And then maybe introduce syntax like this: alter user rhaas set
> password 'raw-unencrypted-passwordt' using 'verifier-method'; alter
> user rhaas set password verifier 'verifier-goes-here' using
> 'verifier-method'; That might require making verifier a key word,
> which would be good to avoid. Perhaps we could use "password
> validator" instead?
I'd like USING best ... though by prepending the schema for ENCRYPTED,
the required information is already conveyed within the verifier, so no
need to specify it again :)
Just my .02€
/ J.L.
Commits
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Support SCRAM-SHA-256 authentication (RFC 5802 and 7677).
- 818fd4a67d61 10.0 landed
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Refactor SHA2 functions and move them to src/common/.
- 273c458a2b3a 10.0 landed
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Replace isMD5() with a more future-proof way to check if pw is encrypted.
- dbd69118c05d 10.0 landed
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Remove bogus notice that older clients might not work with MD5 passwords.
- 7e3ae5455948 9.2.20 landed
- 470af1f41c8b 9.3.16 landed
- ada2cdb61015 9.4.11 landed
- 65a7f190b253 9.5.6 landed
- 7546c135dc30 9.6.2 landed
- 31c54096a18f 10.0 landed
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Refactor the code for verifying user's password.
- e7f051b8f9a6 10.0 landed
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Replace PostmasterRandom() with a stronger source, second attempt.
- fe0a0b5993df 10.0 landed
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Remove support for (insecure) crypt authentication.
- 53a5026b5cb3 8.4.0 cited