Re: [WIP] patch - Collation at database level

Tom Lane napsal(a):
> Zdenek Kotala <Zdenek.Kotala@Sun.COM> writes:
>> Martijn van Oosterhout napsal(a):
>>> Not necessarily. pg_class is not shared yet without it you can't even
>>> find pg_database. Same deal with pg_type. All it means is that
>>> pg_collation in template1 must contain all the collations used in
>>> template1, which shouldn't be hard to arrange.
> 
>> I think, Collation situation is different,
> 
> All the argument here is based on the premise that we should have
> database-level collation specifications, which AFAICS is not required
> nor suggested by the SQL spec. 

Yeah, it is not required, but by my opinion it should be derived from CREATE 
SCHEMA statement. There is following item:

--- SQL ANSI 2003 page 520 ---

5) If <schema character set specification> is not specified, then a <schema 
character set specification> that specifies an implementation-defined character 
set that contains at least every character that is in <SQL language character> 
is implicit.

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It is not for collation directly, but if I understand it correctly when you want 
to create schema  then default charset is inherit from parent instance which is 
database (catalog).

Following sentence specified that pg_collation should be database specific.

---- SQL ANSI 2003 page 15 ---
Character sets defined by standards or by SQL-implementations reside in the 
Information Schema (named INFORMATION_SCHEMA) in each catalog, as do collations 
defined by standards and collations, transliterations, and transcodings defined 
by SQL-implementations.
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 > I wonder why we are allowing a
 > nonstandard half-measure to drive our thinking, rather than solving the
 > real problem which is column-level collations.

I try to determine how to implement collation itself - collation catalog 
structure and content and how to create new collation. Column-level collation is 
nice but until we will not have basic infrastructure we cannot start implemented it.

		Zdenek

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