Re: Code of Conduct plan

On 09/14/2018 07:36 AM, Dave Page wrote:
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> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, James Keener <jim@jimkeener.com 
> <mailto:jim@jimkeener.com>> wrote:
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>             Now, you may say that (2) would be rejected by the
>             committee, but I would
>             counter that it's still a stain on me and something that
>             will forever appear
>             along side my name in search results and that the amount
>             of time and
>             stress it'd take me to defend myself would make my
>             voluntarily leaving
>             the community, which would be seen as an admission of
>             guilt, my only
>             option.
>
>
>         If you had read the policy, you would know that wouldn't
>         happen as reports and details of reports are to be kept
>         confidential.
>
>
>     That doesn't mean I won't be strung along and it doesn't mean that
>     the attacker can't release those details. Remember, I'm worried
>     about politically motivated attacks, and attacks meant to silence
>     opposing viewpoints, not legitimate instances of harassment.
>
>
> Sure, but an attacker can do that now. Having the CoC doesn't change 
> anything there, though it does give us a framework to deal with it.
>
>
>             People are shitheads. People are assholes. We're not
>             agreeing to join
>             some organization and sign an ethics clause when signing
>             up for the mailing
>             list.  The current moderators can already remove bad
>             actors from the list.
>             How they act outside of the list is non of this list's
>             concern.
>
>
>         The lists are just one of many different ways people in this
>         community interact.
>
>
>     So? We interact with people outside of specific groups all the
>     time. Baring specific
>     agreements to the contrary, why should any one group claim
>     responsibility of my
>     personal business?
>
>
> If that business is publicly bringing the project into disrepute, or 
> harassing other community members and they approach us about it, then 
> it becomes our business.
>
> If it's unrelated to PostgreSQL, then it's your personal business and 
> not something the project would get involved in.

O.k. so this isn't clear (at least to me) within the CoC. I want to make 
sure I understand. You are saying that if a community member posts on 
Twitter that they believe gays are going to hell, reporting that to the 
CoC committee would result in a non-violation UNLESS they referenced 
postgresql within the post?

JD


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