Re: Learning curves and such (was Re: pgFoundry)

Neil Conway <neilc@samurai.com>

From: Neil Conway <neilc@samurai.com>
To: Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@postgresql.org>, Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>, pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
Date: 2005-05-18T00:46:18Z
Lists: pgsql-hackers
Brendan Jurd wrote:
> What's the basis of this objection to a web-based dev management
> system?

Beyond "the core developers want to stick to email", I think there is a 
good reason that we should stick primarily to email for project 
management: Bugzilla and similar systems are "point to point", whereas a 
mailing list is multicast[1]. When someone submits a patch or a bug 
report to a mailing list, any of the developers can see the report, 
discuss it, and contribute to resolving it. More often than not, a 
web-based interface like Bugzilla leads to a single "bug master", who 
does most of this work by themselves. Besides the fact we don't have 
such a person, it would also mean that knowledge of bugs/patches and the 
discussion about resolving issues is distributed among a smaller pool of 
people.

There is definitely room for improvement; submitted patches do 
occasionally fall through the cracks, for example. I would personally be 
interested in a "bug-tracking system" that is closer to a shared email 
archive. Individuals would send mail to a mailing list and other people 
would reply and eventually resolve the thread, as happens now. The 
process would be slightly more formalized: there would be a way to 
specify a few commands via email to close/open/resolve/etc. reports, and 
some kind of interface (perhaps web-based) for viewing unresolved 
issues, searching through issues, etc. But the point is that the current 
system works well; this would just be a slight formalization of existing 
procedures (we don't *want* a revolutionary change, nor do we need one). 
I think the administrative overhead wouldn't be too high, either.

I'm not sure which existing systems fit this model (suggestions are 
welcome) -- email needs to be the primary interface, not an afterthought 
(as is often the case). Perhaps RT would work, I'm not sure.

-Neil

[1] Hat-tip to Andrew Morton's keynote at LCA, which made this point 
effectively.