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Extending to 32K row limit
Tony Reina <reina@nsi.edu> — 2000-08-08T17:24:43Z
I know that I've seen this answer before but can't seem to find it for 7.0.2 in the archives. Which file(s) need to be changed to have Postgres default to 32K size row limits rather than 8K? Has anyone run into any horror stories after going to 32K? Thanks. -Tony p.s. Could the procedure for increasing to 32K rows be added to the FAQ? (Hopefully, it won't be necessary post-TOAST).
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Re: Extending to 32K row limit
Thomas Swan <tswan@olemiss.edu> — 2000-08-08T17:26:37Z
At 12:24 PM 8/8/2000, G. Anthony Reina wrote: >I know that I've seen this answer before but can't seem to find it for >7.0.2 in the archives. Which file(s) need to be changed to have Postgres >default to 32K size row limits rather than 8K? Has anyone run into any >horror stories after going to 32K? I've been running it for a while and fairly heavily without any problems... in src/include/config.h modify the following section AFTER running configure. /* * Size of a disk block --- currently, this limits the size of a tuple. * You can set it bigger if you need bigger tuples. */ /* currently must be <= 32k bjm */ #define BLCKSZ 8192 change to #define BLCKSZ 32768 This has worked for me.... - - Thomas Swan - Graduate Student - Computer Science - The University of Mississippi - - "People can be categorized into two fundamental - groups, those that divide people into two groups - and those that don't."
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Re: Extending to 32K row limit
Don Baccus <dhogaza@pacifier.com> — 2000-08-08T17:34:04Z
At 12:26 PM 8/8/00 -0500, Thomas Swan wrote: >>>> <excerpt>At 12:24 PM 8/8/2000, G. Anthony Reina wrote: <excerpt>I know that I've seen this answer before but can't seem to find it for 7.0.2 in the archives. Which file(s) need to be changed to have Postgres default to 32K size row limits rather than 8K? Has anyone run into any horror stories after going to 32K? </excerpt> I've been running it for a while and fairly heavily without any problems... </excerpt><<<<<<<< Folks using the OpenACS toolkit, which includes the AOLserver site run by AOL (did y'all know that's a Postgres site now? - just the AOLserver site, not all of AOL, don't get TOO excited) run with a 16KB blocksize if they follow our instructions. I've been running a couple of sites like that. Zero problems. - Don Baccus, Portland OR <<dhogaza@pacifier.com> Nature photos, on-line guides, Pacific Northwest Rare Bird Alert Service and other goodies at http://donb.photo.net.
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Re: Extending to 32K row limit
Don Baccus <dhogaza@pacifier.com> — 2000-08-08T17:51:16Z
At 11:17 AM 8/8/00 -0700, G. Anthony Reina wrote: >Thanks Don. One more question: Does Postgres set aside an entire 8 K (or 32 K) of >hard disk space for the row; or, does it just use what's needed to store the >information? For example, if I only have one integer value in a row, does Postgres >set aside 8K of harddrive space or just sizeof(int) space (with some pointer where >other values in the row could be placed on the disk)? No, it does not allocate a fixed 8K (or 32K) block per row. The size of a row is dependent on the data stored within the row. Each row also contains a header of modest length. - Don Baccus, Portland OR <dhogaza@pacifier.com> Nature photos, on-line guides, Pacific Northwest Rare Bird Alert Service and other goodies at http://donb.photo.net.
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RE: Extending to 32K row limit
Darren King <darrenk@insightdist.com> — 2000-08-08T18:14:50Z
> I know that I've seen this answer before but can't seem to find it for > 7.0.2 in the archives. Which file(s) need to be changed to have Postgres > default to 32K size row limits rather than 8K? Has anyone run into any > horror stories after going to 32K? Bumping it to 32K on AIX 4.1 broke the disk drivers here, so I would say it depends on your platform. Going to 16K worked fine, but after the jump to 32K, some fsck'ing was required to fix up our drives. The problem was definitely in AIX since many other platforms have reported no problems with the 32K setting. If another use has bumped it up successfully for the same platform as yours, then I'd feel confident in doing it. If you don't get a reply to that effect or can't find it in the archives that someone has done it, I'd recommend putting it to 32K on a test machine first. Just my $.02 worth after trying it on AIX 4.1. Darren
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Re: Extending to 32K row limit
Tony Reina <reina@nsi.edu> — 2000-08-08T18:17:19Z
Thanks Don. One more question: Does Postgres set aside an entire 8 K (or 32 K) of hard disk space for the row; or, does it just use what's needed to store the information? For example, if I only have one integer value in a row, does Postgres set aside 8K of harddrive space or just sizeof(int) space (with some pointer where other values in the row could be placed on the disk)? I just wanted to make sure that my old data at 8 K wasn't going to take up 4 times as much harddrive space after the 32K conversion. Thanks. -Tony Don Baccus wrote: > At 12:26 PM 8/8/00 -0500, Thomas Swan wrote: > >>>> > > At 12:24 PM 8/8/2000, G. Anthony Reina wrote: > > I know that I've seen this answer before but can't seem to find it for > 7.0.2 in the archives. Which file(s) need to be changed to have Postgres > default to 32K size row limits rather than 8K? Has anyone run into any > horror stories after going to 32K? > > I've been running it for a while and fairly heavily without any problems... > > <<<< > > Folks using the OpenACS toolkit, which includes the AOLserver site run by > AOL (did y'all know that's a Postgres site now? - just the AOLserver site, > not all of AOL, don't get TOO excited) run with a 16KB blocksize if they > follow our instructions. > > I've been running a couple of sites like that. > > Zero problems. > > - Don Baccus, Portland OR <dhogaza@pacifier.com> > Nature photos, on-line guides, Pacific Northwest > Rare Bird Alert Service and other goodies at > http://donb.photo.net. -- /////////////////////////////////////////////////// // G. Anthony Reina, MD // // The Neurosciences Institute // // 10640 John Jay Hopkins Drive // // San Diego, CA 92121 // // Phone: (858) 626-2132 // // FAX: (858) 626-2199 // ////////////////////////////////////////////
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Re: Extending to 32K row limit
Tony Reina <reina@nsi.edu> — 2000-08-08T22:49:49Z
Thomas, I've re-done my database with the 32K tuple limit-- looks good. However, I seem to be having trouble with binary cursors. I think it may be with the number of bytes in the tuple header (used to be 16 bytes with the 8K limit). I've tried 16, 32, and 64, but haven't seemed to find it. Have you used binary cursors with this setup? Thanks. -Tony Thomas Swan wrote: > At 12:24 PM 8/8/2000, G. Anthony Reina wrote: > >> I know that I've seen this answer before but can't seem to find it >> for >> 7.0.2 in the archives. Which file(s) need to be changed to have >> Postgres >> default to 32K size row limits rather than 8K? Has anyone run into >> any >> horror stories after going to 32K? > > > I've been running it for a while and fairly heavily without any > problems... > > in src/include/config.h modify the following section AFTER running > configure. > > /* > * Size of a disk block --- currently, this limits the size of a > tuple. > * You can set it bigger if you need bigger tuples. > */ > /* currently must be <= 32k bjm */ > #define BLCKSZ 8192 > > change to > > #define BLCKSZ 32768 > > This has worked for me.... > - > - Thomas Swan > - Graduate Student - Computer Science > - The University of Mississippi > - > - "People can be categorized into two fundamental > - groups, those that divide people into two groups > - and those that don't." -
Re: Extending to 32K row limit
Tony Reina <reina@nsi.edu> — 2000-08-08T22:57:44Z
Sorry. I just figured out it was an endianess problem rather than a header size problem. Works fine now. Looks like 16 is still the magic number. Please disregard the last question. -Tony "G. Anthony Reina" wrote: > Thomas, > > I've re-done my database with the 32K tuple limit-- looks good. > However, I seem to be having trouble with binary cursors. I think it may > be with the number of bytes in the tuple header (used to be 16 bytes > with the 8K limit). I've tried 16, 32, and 64, but haven't seemed to > find it. Have you used binary cursors with this setup? > > Thanks. > -Tony > > Thomas Swan wrote: > > > At 12:24 PM 8/8/2000, G. Anthony Reina wrote: > > > >> I know that I've seen this answer before but can't seem to find it > >> for > >> 7.0.2 in the archives. Which file(s) need to be changed to have > >> Postgres > >> default to 32K size row limits rather than 8K? Has anyone run into > >> any > >> horror stories after going to 32K? > > > > > > I've been running it for a while and fairly heavily without any > > problems... > > > > in src/include/config.h modify the following section AFTER running > > configure. > > > > /* > > * Size of a disk block --- currently, this limits the size of a > > tuple. > > * You can set it bigger if you need bigger tuples. > > */ > > /* currently must be <= 32k bjm */ > > #define BLCKSZ 8192 > > > > change to > > > > #define BLCKSZ 32768 > > > > This has worked for me.... > > - > > - Thomas Swan > > - Graduate Student - Computer Science > > - The University of Mississippi > > - > > - "People can be categorized into two fundamental > > - groups, those that divide people into two groups > > - and those that don't."