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  1. Tangent ... you know what's scary?

    Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> — 1999-08-19T14:52:50Z

    The following is from the web stats for www.PostgreSQL.org,browser report:

 133414: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)
 125351: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT)
 116392: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
 100206: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)
  77493: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95)
  59355: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98)
  52153: Mozilla/4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686)

The only one on top of that is the ht/dig stuff...

Damn, we get alot of MicroSloth ppl through here, eh? :)

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  2. Re: [HACKERS] Tangent ... you know what's scary?

    Jeff Hoffmann <jeff@remapcorp.com> — 1999-08-19T15:12:20Z

    The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> The following is from the web stats for www.PostgreSQL.org,browser report:
> 
>  133414: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)
>  125351: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT)
>  116392: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
>  100206: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)
>   77493: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95)
>   59355: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98)
>   52153: Mozilla/4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686)
> 
> The only one on top of that is the ht/dig stuff...
> 
> Damn, we get alot of MicroSloth ppl through here, eh? :)

is that just doing a uniq on the agent field?  if that's true, then it
looks like the linux user agents might vary on kernel version, in which
case you might have to add those up.  plus there are about 100 version
of Mozilla (4.0, 4.01, 4.02 .. 4.08, 4.5, 4.51, 4.6, 4.61).  don't lose
the faith just so quickly.

OTOH, didn't you know the browser war was over?

BTW, i always thought it was really cheesy that MSIE uses Mozilla in its
user agent string.  I would be embarassed to have my company's product
not be able to stand up by itself, for better or for worse.

  3. Re: [HACKERS] Tangent ... you know what's scary?

    Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org> — 1999-08-19T15:22:18Z

    The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> The following is from the web stats for www.PostgreSQL.org,browser report:
 
> Damn, we get alot of MicroSloth ppl through here, eh? :)

HEY!  I resemble that remark! (although I have enough sense to use
Netscape on this machine...)

Lamar Owen
WGCR Internet Radio
[on a Win95 machine due to the lack of broadcast automation software
under linux....;-( ]

  4. Re: [HACKERS] Tangent ... you know what's scary?

    Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> — 1999-08-19T15:24:31Z

    On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Jeff Hoffmann wrote:

> The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> > 
> > The following is from the web stats for www.PostgreSQL.org,browser report:
> > 
> >  133414: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)
> >  125351: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT)
> >  116392: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
> >  100206: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)
> >   77493: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95)
> >   59355: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98)
> >   52153: Mozilla/4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686)
> > 
> > The only one on top of that is the ht/dig stuff...
> > 
> > Damn, we get alot of MicroSloth ppl through here, eh? :)
> 
> is that just doing a uniq on the agent field?  if that's true, then it

based on analog's report...

> looks like the linux user agents might vary on kernel version, in which
> case you might have to add those up.  plus there are about 100 version
> of Mozilla (4.0, 4.01, 4.02 .. 4.08, 4.5, 4.51, 4.6, 4.61).  don't lose
> the faith just so quickly.

actually, I think its a cool thing...just think, all those MicroSloth
users learning about us to get away from SQL Server :)

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org

  5. Re: [HACKERS] Tangent ... you know what's scary?

    Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> — 1999-08-19T15:31:54Z

    On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Lamar Owen wrote:

> The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> > 
> > The following is from the web stats for www.PostgreSQL.org,browser report:
>  
> > Damn, we get alot of MicroSloth ppl through here, eh? :)
> 
> HEY!  I resemble that remark! (although I have enough sense to use

You look like a Sloth? *grin*

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org

  6. Re: [HACKERS] Tangent ... you know what's scary?

    Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> — 1999-08-19T15:48:10Z

    On 19-Aug-99 Lamar Owen wrote:
> The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> [on a Win95 machine due to the lack of broadcast automation software
> under linux....;-( ]

You may be seeing some soon - but it'll be for FreeBSD.

Vince.
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  7. Re: [HACKERS] Tangent ... you know what's scary?

    Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org> — 1999-08-19T16:13:45Z

    The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> > > Damn, we get alot of MicroSloth ppl through here, eh? :)
> >
> > HEY!  I resemble that remark! 
> 
> You look like a Sloth? *grin*

ROTFL....  Judge for yourself:
http://www.wgcr.org/about_us/who/LAMAR.JPG (sorry about the capitals,
but that's the way it's on there...)

It is sad that even Unix-heads like myself use such an inferior
product.... Sad state indeed.  (one reason why I volunteered to tackle
the RPM packaging issue head-on.... I had to do SOMETHING to help, even
a little thing such as packaging is a little help.)

Lamar Owen
WGCR Internet Radio 
(who's still waiting for a .wav file of the "Official" PostgreSQL
pronunciation to encode to RealAudio and stream over my
RealServer....;-))

  8. Re: [HACKERS] Tangent ... you know what's scary?

    Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> — 1999-08-19T16:20:25Z

    On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Lamar Owen wrote:

> The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> > > > Damn, we get alot of MicroSloth ppl through here, eh? :)
> > >
> > > HEY!  I resemble that remark! 
> > 
> > You look like a Sloth? *grin*
> 
> ROTFL....  Judge for yourself:
> http://www.wgcr.org/about_us/who/LAMAR.JPG (sorry about the capitals,
> but that's the way it's on there...)

Well, sloth might be pushing it... :)

> WGCR Internet Radio 
> (who's still waiting for a .wav file of the "Official" PostgreSQL
> pronunciation to encode to RealAudio and stream over my
> RealServer....;-))

Ack...will see what I can do :(

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org

  9. Re: [HACKERS] Tangent ... you know what's scary?

    Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> — 1999-08-19T19:12:04Z

    On 19-Aug-99 The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Lamar Owen wrote:
> 
>> The Hermit Hacker wrote:
>> > > > Damn, we get alot of MicroSloth ppl through here, eh? :)
>> > >
>> > > HEY!  I resemble that remark! 
>> > 
>> > You look like a Sloth? *grin*
>> 
>> ROTFL....  Judge for yourself:
>> http://www.wgcr.org/about_us/who/LAMAR.JPG (sorry about the capitals,
>> but that's the way it's on there...)
> 
> Well, sloth might be pushing it... :)
> 
>> WGCR Internet Radio 
>> (who's still waiting for a .wav file of the "Official" PostgreSQL
>> pronunciation to encode to RealAudio and stream over my
>> RealServer....;-))
> 
> Ack...will see what I can do :(
> 
> Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
> Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
> primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 
> 
> 
> ************

Lamar, do you have festival running?  If you do just pass it this:
 
Posgress Q L

and you'll have it.

For anyone not aware, festival is a text to speech package.  I'll occasionally
use it for leaving messages on people's answering machines/voice mail!

Vince.
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  10. Re: [HACKERS] Tangent ... you know what's scary?

    Jan Wieck <wieck@debis.com> — 1999-08-19T21:56:49Z

    Marc G. Fournier wrote:

>
> The following is from the web stats for www.PostgreSQL.org,browser report:
>
>  133414: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)
>  125351: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT)
>  116392: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
>  100206: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)
>   77493: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95)
>   59355: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98)
>   52153: Mozilla/4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686)
>
> The only one on top of that is the ht/dig stuff...
>
> Damn, we get alot of MicroSloth ppl through here, eh? :)

    Could  be  a  misinterpretation  of  log  info. Many ppl have
    internet connectivity (and it seems plenty of time  to  spend
    for  surfing too) at work.  Others just use their M$ infected
    workstation for  surfing  while  doing  their  real  work  on
    systems where real work can be done.

    BTW:  A  bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is
    where a train stops. I have a work station in front of me.


Jan

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  11. Re: [HACKERS] Tangent ... you know what's scary?

    Adam Haberlach <haberlaa@ricochet.net> — 1999-08-22T18:48:12Z

    On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 11:52:50AM -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> The following is from the web stats for www.PostgreSQL.org,browser report:
> 
>  133414: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)
>  125351: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT)
>  116392: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
>  100206: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)
>   77493: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95)
>   59355: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98)
>   52153: Mozilla/4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686)
> 
> The only one on top of that is the ht/dig stuff...
> 
> Damn, we get alot of MicroSloth ppl through here, eh? :)

	Hint: Microsoft makes the dominant web browser.  Why are you
surprised?


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  12. Re: [HACKERS] Tangent ... you know what's scary?

    Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> — 1999-08-22T19:59:25Z

    On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Adam Haberlach wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 11:52:50AM -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> > 
> > The following is from the web stats for www.PostgreSQL.org,browser report:
> > 
> >  133414: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)
> >  125351: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT)
> >  116392: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
> >  100206: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)
> >   77493: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95)
> >   59355: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98)
> >   52153: Mozilla/4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686)
> > 
> > The only one on top of that is the ht/dig stuff...
> > 
> > Damn, we get alot of MicroSloth ppl through here, eh? :)
> 
> 	Hint: Microsoft makes the dominant web browser.  Why are you
> surprised?

Actually, from tests I did a few months back, this isn't accurate...the
problem with the Netscape/Unix browsers is that for every version of Unix
out there, it will report a different "browser"...

But, it only seperates by 'distinct full name'...here's just a selection
of the Linux ones reported, and each one of those would be in the above
report "seperately":

Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.3.2 i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.3.9 i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.30 i586)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.34 i586)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.34 i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.35 i586)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.35 i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i386)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i586)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i586; Nav)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i686; Nav)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.1 i586)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i586)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-ac11 i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-ac3 i586)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5 i586)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5 i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-15 i486)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586; Nav)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-15smp i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-22 i586)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-22smp i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-23cl i586)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.6 i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.7 i586)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.7 i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.8 i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i586)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.3.0 i586)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.3.10 i586)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.3.12 i686)
Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.3.5 i586)

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org

  13. Re: [HACKERS] Tangent ... you know what's scary?

    Bruce Momjian <maillist@candle.pha.pa.us> — 1999-08-24T03:50:03Z

    > 
> The following is from the web stats for www.PostgreSQL.org,browser report:
> 
>  133414: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)
>  125351: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT)
>  116392: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
>  100206: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)
>   77493: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95)
>   59355: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98)
>   52153: Mozilla/4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686)

That seems totally wrong.  Are you saying there is only a few Linux
folks, and no other Unix stuff, and all the other folks are PC MS
people.

Seems strange.

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  14. Re: [HACKERS] Tangent ... you know what's scary?

    Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> — 1999-08-24T05:20:52Z

    On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> > 
> > The following is from the web stats for www.PostgreSQL.org,browser report:
> > 
> >  133414: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)
> >  125351: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT)
> >  116392: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
> >  100206: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)
> >   77493: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95)
> >   59355: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98)
> >   52153: Mozilla/4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686)
> 
> That seems totally wrong.  Are you saying there is only a few Linux
> folks, and no other Unix stuff, and all the other folks are PC MS
> people.
> 
> Seems strange.

nah, the results are screwed up since MicroSloth doesn't actually have
different "versions"...see my followup posting that provided one gentleman
with an example of how something like Linux dispurses because of their
"version a week" release scheduale :)

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org