Re: Default setting for enable_hashagg_disk
Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
From: Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
To: David Rowley <dgrowleyml@gmail.com>
Cc: Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>, Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>, Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>, Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>, "pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org" <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>
Date: 2020-06-24T09:06:28Z
Lists: pgsql-hackers, pgsql-docs
On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 02:11:57PM +1200, David Rowley wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 08:24, Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com> wrote: > > Another way of looking at it is that the weird behavior is already > > there in v12, so there are already users relying on this weird behavior > > as a crutch for some other planner mistake. The question is whether we > > want to: > > > > (a) take the weird behavior away now as a consequence of implementing > > disk-based HashAgg; or > > (b) support the weird behavior forever; or > > (c) introduce a GUC now to help transition away from the weird behavior > > > > The danger with (c) is that it gives users more time to become more > > reliant on the weird behavior; and worse, a GUC could be seen as an > > endorsement of the weird behavior rather than a path to eliminating it. > > So we could intend to do (c) and end up with (b). We can mitigate this > > with documentation warnings, perhaps. > > So, I have a few thoughts on this subject. I understand both problem > cases have been mentioned before on this thread, but just to reiterate > the two problem cases that we really would rather people didn't hit. I appreciated this summary since I wasn't fully following the issues. > As for GUCs to try to help the group of users who, *I'm certain*, will > have problems with PG13's plan choice. I think the overloaded > enable_hashagg option is a really nice compromise. We don't really > have any other executor node type that has multiple GUCs controlling > its behaviour, so I believe it would be nice to keep it that way. So, in trying to anticipate how users will be affected by an API change, I try to look at similar cases where we already have this behavior, and how users react to this. Looking at the available join methods, I think we have one. We currently support: * nested loop with sequential scan * nested loop with index scan * hash join * merge join It would seem merge join has almost the same complexities as the new hash join code, since it can spill to disk doing sorts for merge joins, and adjusting work_mem is the only way to control that spill to disk. I don't remember anyone complaining about spills to disk during merge join, so I am unclear why we would need a such control for hash join. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> https://momjian.us EnterpriseDB https://enterprisedb.com The usefulness of a cup is in its emptiness, Bruce Lee
Commits
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Add hash_mem_multiplier GUC.
- d6c08e29e7bc 14.0 landed
- 78530c8e7a5a 13.0 landed
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HashAgg: use better cardinality estimate for recursive spilling.
- 3a232a3183d5 13.0 landed
- 9878b643f37b 14.0 landed
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Remove hashagg_avoid_disk_plan GUC.
- bcbf9446a298 14.0 landed
- 5a6cc6ffa914 13.0 landed
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Doc fixup for hashagg_avoid_disk_plan GUC.
- d33f33539d7f 13.0 landed
- 7ce461560159 14.0 landed
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Rework HashAgg GUCs.
- 13e0fa7ae50c 13.0 landed
- 92c58fd94801 14.0 landed
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Disk-based Hash Aggregation.
- 1f39bce02154 13.0 cited
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Implement partition-wise grouping/aggregation.
- e2f1eb0ee30d 11.0 cited
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Defer creation of partially-grouped relation until it's needed.
- 4f15e5d09de2 11.0 cited