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  1. Personal Copyright Notices

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-02T18:48:20Z

    Some more _personalized_ copyright noticed have crept into our source
tree:

 /src/tutorial/basics.source	Copyright (c) 1994, Andrew Yu, University of California 
 /contrib/intagg/Makefile	Copyright (c) 2001 Digital Music Network by Mark L. Woodward
 /src/port/rint.c		Copyright (c) 1999, repas AEG Automation GmbH
 /contrib/isn/isn.c		Copyright (c) 2004-2006, Germn Mndez Bravo (Kronuz)
 /contrib/isn/isn.h		Copyright (c) 2004-2006, Germn Mndez Bravo (Kronuz)
 /src/backend/utils/mb/Unicode/UCS_to_GB18030.pl    Copyright 2002 by Bill Huang

Does anyone have contacts to the other people listed?  Ideally we can
get them to send the list an email stating their copyright notice can be
removed.

Below is a summary of each item:
--------------------------------

I received permission from Andrew Yu to remove a copyright he had on
another file in 2007:

	http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2007-03/msg01528.php

I have emailed him to get approval to remove this mention also.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The intagg copyright is on a _Makefile_:

	# Makefile for integer aggregator
	# Copyright (C) 2001 Digital Music Network.
	# by Mark L. Woodward
	# $PostgreSQL: pgsql/contrib/intagg/Makefile,v 1.10 2008/11/14 19:58:45	tgl Exp $

Seems we either have to contact the author or rewrite the file.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The rint.c file is again tiny:

 * rint.c
 *    rint() implementation
 *
 * Copyright (c) 1999, repas AEG Automation GmbH

Perhaps that just needs to be rewritten.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The ISN copyright looks like this:

	 * Copyright (c) 2004-2006, Germ<E1>n M<E9>ndez Bravo (Kronuz)
	 * Portions Copyright (c) 1996-2010, PostgreSQL Global Development Group

Interestingly, he mentions himself and PGDG both in the copyright, which
makese this less of an issue.  Looking at the ISN code, it appears he
was the creator of the original file:

	revision 1.1
	date: 2006/09/09 04:07:52;  author: tgl;  state: Exp;
	Add contrib/isn module for ISBN/ISSN/EAN13/etc product numbers, and
	remove the old isbn_issn module which is about to be obsoleted by EAN13.
	contrib/isn is by Germ<E1>n M<E9>ndez Bravo.  Our thanks to Garrett A.
	Wollman for having written the original isbn_issn module.

and he asked about his copyright mention as part of the patch
discussion:

	http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2006-09/msg00794.php

I never saw the issue actually addressed and the copyright line was committed.
Do people think it is acceptable?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The UCS_to_GB18030.pl is a Perl script with this at the top:

	# Copyright 2002 by Bill Huang

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  2. Re: Personal Copyright Notices

    Greg Stark <stark@mit.edu> — 2010-02-02T20:00:21Z

    So based on our discussion of last week my understanding is that as long as
these people are content to release the code under the same license then
these statements don't change anything since they're included in the
Postgresql global development group anyways.

greg

On 2 Feb 2010 19:39, "Bruce Momjian" <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:

Some more _personalized_ copyright noticed have crept into our source
tree:

 /src/tutorial/basics.source    Copyright (c) 1994, Andrew Yu, University of
California
 /contrib/intagg/Makefile       Copyright (c) 2001 Digital Music Network by
Mark L. Woodward
 /src/port/rint.c               Copyright (c) 1999, repas AEG Automation
GmbH
 /contrib/isn/isn.c             Copyright (c) 2004-2006, Germn Mndez Bravo
(Kronuz)
 /contrib/isn/isn.h             Copyright (c) 2004-2006, Germn Mndez Bravo
(Kronuz)
 /src/backend/utils/mb/Unicode/UCS_to_GB18030.pl    Copyright 2002 by Bill
Huang

Does anyone have contacts to the other people listed?  Ideally we can
get them to send the list an email stating their copyright notice can be
removed.

Below is a summary of each item:
--------------------------------

I received permission from Andrew Yu to remove a copyright he had on
another file in 2007:

       http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2007-03/msg01528.php

I have emailed him to get approval to remove this mention also.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The intagg copyright is on a _Makefile_:

       # Makefile for integer aggregator
       # Copyright (C) 2001 Digital Music Network.
       # by Mark L. Woodward
       # $PostgreSQL: pgsql/contrib/intagg/Makefile,v 1.10 2008/11/14
19:58:45 tgl Exp $

Seems we either have to contact the author or rewrite the file.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The rint.c file is again tiny:

 * rint.c
 *    rint() implementation
 *
 * Copyright (c) 1999, repas AEG Automation GmbH

Perhaps that just needs to be rewritten.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The ISN copyright looks like this:

        * Copyright (c) 2004-2006, Germ<E1>n M<E9>ndez Bravo (Kronuz)
        * Portions Copyright (c) 1996-2010, PostgreSQL Global Development
Group

Interestingly, he mentions himself and PGDG both in the copyright, which
makese this less of an issue.  Looking at the ISN code, it appears he
was the creator of the original file:

       revision 1.1
       date: 2006/09/09 04:07:52;  author: tgl;  state: Exp;
       Add contrib/isn module for ISBN/ISSN/EAN13/etc product numbers, and
       remove the old isbn_issn module which is about to be obsoleted by
EAN13.
       contrib/isn is by Germ<E1>n M<E9>ndez Bravo.  Our thanks to Garrett
A.
       Wollman for having written the original isbn_issn module.

and he asked about his copyright mention as part of the patch
discussion:

       http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2006-09/msg00794.php

I never saw the issue actually addressed and the copyright line was
committed.
Do people think it is acceptable?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The UCS_to_GB18030.pl is a Perl script with this at the top:

       # Copyright 2002 by Bill Huang

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  3. Re: Personal Copyright Notices

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-02T20:14:52Z

    Bruce Momjian wrote:
> 
> I received permission from Andrew Yu to remove a copyright he had on
> another file in 2007:
> 
> 	http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2007-03/msg01528.php
> 
> I have emailed him to get approval to remove this mention also.

I received an email reply from Andrew Yu stating it is OK to remove his
copyright, so I have done so in CVS HEAD and 8.4.X.

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  4. Re: Personal Copyright Notices

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-02T20:16:29Z

    Greg Stark wrote:
> So based on our discussion of last week my understanding is that as long as
> these people are content to release the code under the same license then
> these statements don't change anything since they're included in the
> Postgresql global development group anyways.

Yes, I believe that is correct.  However, it is confusing to have their
copyrights mentioned in our code, so ideally the copyrights would be
removed.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

> 
> greg
> 
> On 2 Feb 2010 19:39, "Bruce Momjian" <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
> 
> Some more _personalized_ copyright noticed have crept into our source
> tree:
> 
>  /src/tutorial/basics.source    Copyright (c) 1994, Andrew Yu, University of
> California
>  /contrib/intagg/Makefile       Copyright (c) 2001 Digital Music Network by
> Mark L. Woodward
>  /src/port/rint.c               Copyright (c) 1999, repas AEG Automation
> GmbH
>  /contrib/isn/isn.c             Copyright (c) 2004-2006, Germn Mndez Bravo
> (Kronuz)
>  /contrib/isn/isn.h             Copyright (c) 2004-2006, Germn Mndez Bravo
> (Kronuz)
>  /src/backend/utils/mb/Unicode/UCS_to_GB18030.pl    Copyright 2002 by Bill
> Huang
> 
> Does anyone have contacts to the other people listed?  Ideally we can
> get them to send the list an email stating their copyright notice can be
> removed.
> 
> Below is a summary of each item:
> --------------------------------
> 
> I received permission from Andrew Yu to remove a copyright he had on
> another file in 2007:
> 
>        http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2007-03/msg01528.php
> 
> I have emailed him to get approval to remove this mention also.
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> The intagg copyright is on a _Makefile_:
> 
>        # Makefile for integer aggregator
>        # Copyright (C) 2001 Digital Music Network.
>        # by Mark L. Woodward
>        # $PostgreSQL: pgsql/contrib/intagg/Makefile,v 1.10 2008/11/14
> 19:58:45 tgl Exp $
> 
> Seems we either have to contact the author or rewrite the file.
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> The rint.c file is again tiny:
> 
>  * rint.c
>  *    rint() implementation
>  *
>  * Copyright (c) 1999, repas AEG Automation GmbH
> 
> Perhaps that just needs to be rewritten.
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> The ISN copyright looks like this:
> 
>         * Copyright (c) 2004-2006, Germ<E1>n M<E9>ndez Bravo (Kronuz)
>         * Portions Copyright (c) 1996-2010, PostgreSQL Global Development
> Group
> 
> Interestingly, he mentions himself and PGDG both in the copyright, which
> makese this less of an issue.  Looking at the ISN code, it appears he
> was the creator of the original file:
> 
>        revision 1.1
>        date: 2006/09/09 04:07:52;  author: tgl;  state: Exp;
>        Add contrib/isn module for ISBN/ISSN/EAN13/etc product numbers, and
>        remove the old isbn_issn module which is about to be obsoleted by
> EAN13.
>        contrib/isn is by Germ<E1>n M<E9>ndez Bravo.  Our thanks to Garrett
> A.
>        Wollman for having written the original isbn_issn module.
> 
> and he asked about his copyright mention as part of the patch
> discussion:
> 
>        http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2006-09/msg00794.php
> 
> I never saw the issue actually addressed and the copyright line was
> committed.
> Do people think it is acceptable?
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> The UCS_to_GB18030.pl is a Perl script with this at the top:
> 
>        # Copyright 2002 by Bill Huang
> 
> --
>  Bruce Momjian  <bruce@momjian.us>        http://momjian.us
>  EnterpriseDB                             http://enterprisedb.com
> 
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> 
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  5. Re: Personal Copyright Notices

    Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> — 2010-02-02T20:18:13Z

    On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:

> The intagg copyright is on a _Makefile_:
>
>        # Makefile for integer aggregator
>        # Copyright (C) 2001 Digital Music Network.
>        # by Mark L. Woodward
>        # $PostgreSQL: pgsql/contrib/intagg/Makefile,v 1.10 2008/11/14 19:58:45 tgl Exp $
>
> Seems we either have to contact the author or rewrite the file.

Why? Even if the text is removed, he will still own the copyright, as
is the case for any patch submitted because we don't have any form of
copyright assignment.

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  6. Re: Personal Copyright Notices

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-02T20:20:53Z

    Dave Page wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
> 
> > The intagg copyright is on a _Makefile_:
> >
> > ? ? ? ?# Makefile for integer aggregator
> > ? ? ? ?# Copyright (C) 2001 Digital Music Network.
> > ? ? ? ?# by Mark L. Woodward
> > ? ? ? ?# $PostgreSQL: pgsql/contrib/intagg/Makefile,v 1.10 2008/11/14 19:58:45 tgl Exp $
> >
> > Seems we either have to contact the author or rewrite the file.
> 
> Why? Even if the text is removed, he will still own the copyright, as
> is the case for any patch submitted because we don't have any form of
> copyright assignment.

True, but their names on these files is bound to confuse legal folks
looking at the code.  I got a private email about these copyrights last
week from a _very_ large company, which is how they came to my
attention.

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  7. Re: Personal Copyright Notices

    Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> — 2010-02-02T20:23:37Z

    On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
>> > Seems we either have to contact the author or rewrite the file.
>>
>> Why? Even if the text is removed, he will still own the copyright, as
>> is the case for any patch submitted because we don't have any form of
>> copyright assignment.
>
> True, but their names on these files is bound to confuse legal folks
> looking at the code.  I got a private email about these copyrights last
> week from a _very_ large company, which is how they came to my
> attention.

I'm not saying we shouldn't remove the text, but there's no need to
rewrite the code.


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  8. Re: Personal Copyright Notices

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-02T20:24:56Z

    Dave Page wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
> >> > Seems we either have to contact the author or rewrite the file.
> >>
> >> Why? Even if the text is removed, he will still own the copyright, as
> >> is the case for any patch submitted because we don't have any form of
> >> copyright assignment.
> >
> > True, but their names on these files is bound to confuse legal folks
> > looking at the code. ?I got a private email about these copyrights last
> > week from a _very_ large company, which is how they came to my
> > attention.
> 
> I'm not saying we shouldn't remove the text, but there's no need to
> rewrite the code.

Well, for the ones where the file is 6 lines, it might be worth 
re-writing if we can't contact the authors.

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  9. Re: Personal Copyright Notices

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-05T03:24:12Z

    Bruce Momjian wrote:
> The intagg copyright is on a _Makefile_:
> 
> 	# Makefile for integer aggregator
> 	# Copyright (C) 2001 Digital Music Network.
> 	# by Mark L. Woodward
> 	# $PostgreSQL: pgsql/contrib/intagg/Makefile,v 1.10 2008/11/14 19:58:45	tgl Exp $
> 
> Seems we either have to contact the author or rewrite the file.

I have rewritten the above file from scratch to enable removal of the
copyright mention.

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> The rint.c file is again tiny:
> 
>  * rint.c
>  *    rint() implementation
>  *
>  * Copyright (c) 1999, repas AEG Automation GmbH
> 
> Perhaps that just needs to be rewritten.

I received a new rint() version from Nathan Wagner that is simpler and
replaced the old rint() code with Nathan's and removed the copyright
mention.  Patch attached.

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  10. Re: Personal Copyright Notices

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-05T04:36:25Z

    Bruce Momjian wrote:
> 
> The ISN copyright looks like this:
> 
> 	 * Copyright (c) 2004-2006, Germ<E1>n M<E9>ndez Bravo (Kronuz)
> 	 * Portions Copyright (c) 1996-2010, PostgreSQL Global Development Group
> 
> Interestingly, he mentions himself and PGDG both in the copyright, which
> makese this less of an issue.  Looking at the ISN code, it appears he
> was the creator of the original file:
> 
> 	revision 1.1
> 	date: 2006/09/09 04:07:52;  author: tgl;  state: Exp;
> 	Add contrib/isn module for ISBN/ISSN/EAN13/etc product numbers, and
> 	remove the old isbn_issn module which is about to be obsoleted by EAN13.
> 	contrib/isn is by Germ<E1>n M<E9>ndez Bravo.  Our thanks to Garrett A.
> 	Wollman for having written the original isbn_issn module.
> 
> and he asked about his copyright mention as part of the patch
> discussion:
> 
> 	http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2006-09/msg00794.php
> 
> I never saw the issue actually addressed and the copyright line was committed.
> Do people think it is acceptable?

I received email permission from German Mendez Bravo to just mention him
as the /contrib/isn author, and remove the "copyright" word.  Change
commited.

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  11. Re: Looking for Bill Huang; was Personal Copyright Notices

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-05T05:07:26Z

    Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Some more _personalized_ copyright noticed have crept into our source
> tree:
> 
>  /src/tutorial/basics.source	Copyright (c) 1994, Andrew Yu, University of California 
>  /contrib/intagg/Makefile	Copyright (c) 2001 Digital Music Network by Mark L. Woodward
>  /src/port/rint.c		Copyright (c) 1999, repas AEG Automation GmbH
>  /contrib/isn/isn.c		Copyright (c) 2004-2006, Germn Mndez Bravo (Kronuz)
>  /contrib/isn/isn.h		Copyright (c) 2004-2006, Germn Mndez Bravo (Kronuz)
>  /src/backend/utils/mb/Unicode/UCS_to_GB18030.pl    Copyright 2002 by Bill Huang

I have now dealt with all of these except the last one:

> The UCS_to_GB18030.pl is a Perl script with this at the top:
> 
> 	# Copyright 2002 by Bill Huang

Does anyone know how to contact Bill Huang?  Based on this posting:

	http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-announce/2002-06/msg00003.php

he lives in Japan and worked for Red Hat, and a Japan phone number is
listed that I did not try.  I did try emailing him at
bill_huanghb@ybb.ne.jp and huang@redhat.com but both emails returned
failure messages.

The perl file is 100 lines so it is possible to rewrite it if necessary.
This same file was mentioned in 2007 so I think we should just find a
solution to this:

	http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2007-03/msg01446.php

-- 
  Bruce Momjian  <bruce@momjian.us>        http://momjian.us
  EnterpriseDB                             http://enterprisedb.com

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  12. Re: Personal Copyright Notices

    Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu> — 2010-02-05T14:21:11Z

    On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
>> The intagg copyright is on a _Makefile_:
>>
>>       # Makefile for integer aggregator
>>       # Copyright (C) 2001 Digital Music Network.
>>       # by Mark L. Woodward
>>       # $PostgreSQL: pgsql/contrib/intagg/Makefile,v 1.10 2008/11/14 19:58:45 tgl Exp $
>>
>> Seems we either have to contact the author or rewrite the file.
>
> I have rewritten the above file from scratch to enable removal of the
> copyright mention.
>

Uhm, you rewrote it and it turned out byte-for-byte identical except
for the removed copyright comments? Actually the file is trivial
enough -- it's just our standard pgxs template with the two filenames
inserted -- that that's plausible. I think that indicates that it
wasn't really something copyrightable to begin with.

-- 
greg

  13. Re: Personal Copyright Notices

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-05T14:27:57Z

    Greg Stark wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
> > Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >> The intagg copyright is on a _Makefile_:
> >>
> >> ? ? ? # Makefile for integer aggregator
> >> ? ? ? # Copyright (C) 2001 Digital Music Network.
> >> ? ? ? # by Mark L. Woodward
> >> ? ? ? # $PostgreSQL: pgsql/contrib/intagg/Makefile,v 1.10 2008/11/14 19:58:45 tgl Exp $
> >>
> >> Seems we either have to contact the author or rewrite the file.
> >
> > I have rewritten the above file from scratch to enable removal of the
> > copyright mention.
> >
> 
> Uhm, you rewrote it and it turned out byte-for-byte identical except
> for the removed copyright comments? Actually the file is trivial
> enough -- it's just our standard pgxs template with the two filenames
> inserted -- that that's plausible. I think that indicates that it
> wasn't really something copyrightable to begin with.

Right, I copied /contrib/intarray/Makefile and modified it.  If it turns
out identical, so be it.

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  14. Re: Looking for Bill Huang; was Personal Copyright Notices

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-16T20:38:10Z

    Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > Some more _personalized_ copyright noticed have crept into our source
> > tree:
> > 
> >  /src/tutorial/basics.source	Copyright (c) 1994, Andrew Yu, University of California 
> >  /contrib/intagg/Makefile	Copyright (c) 2001 Digital Music Network by Mark L. Woodward
> >  /src/port/rint.c		Copyright (c) 1999, repas AEG Automation GmbH
> >  /contrib/isn/isn.c		Copyright (c) 2004-2006, Germn Mndez Bravo (Kronuz)
> >  /contrib/isn/isn.h		Copyright (c) 2004-2006, Germn Mndez Bravo (Kronuz)
> >  /src/backend/utils/mb/Unicode/UCS_to_GB18030.pl    Copyright 2002 by Bill Huang
> 
> I have now dealt with all of these except the last one:
> 
> > The UCS_to_GB18030.pl is a Perl script with this at the top:
> > 
> > 	# Copyright 2002 by Bill Huang
> 
> Does anyone know how to contact Bill Huang?  Based on this posting:
> 
> 	http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-announce/2002-06/msg00003.php
> 
> he lives in Japan and worked for Red Hat, and a Japan phone number is
> listed that I did not try.  I did try emailing him at
> bill_huanghb@ybb.ne.jp and huang@redhat.com but both emails returned
> failure messages.
> 
> The perl file is 100 lines so it is possible to rewrite it if necessary.
> This same file was mentioned in 2007 so I think we should just find a
> solution to this:
> 
> 	http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2007-03/msg01446.php

I have been able to remove this last personal copyright thanks to
Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum, who rewrote the perl script using another perl
script from the same directory that was created before the offending
file.  Patch attached.

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