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  1. Release 8.2.0 done, 8.3 development starts

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2006-12-19T17:23:50Z

    The 8.2.0 release went well.  We spent a month more in beta than we
planned, but that time helped to eliminate many bugs, and many that had
existed in previous PostgreSQL major releases as well.  We have had very
few bug reports for 8.2.0, and will be doing a minor release in 1-2
weeks to get those fixes out to the user community.

The development community is now focused on 8.3, and discussion and
patch application has already started.  This is scheduled to be a
shorter release cycle then normal, with feature freeze on April 1, with
major functionality discussed and hopefully reviewed by the community at
least a month before that.  This would put beta in mid-May, and final
release perhaps mid-July.  Of course, this all might change based on
community feedback.

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  2. Re: Release 8.2.0 done, 8.3 development starts

    Thomas H. <me@alternize.com> — 2006-12-20T00:26:31Z

    > The 8.2.0 release went well.  We spent a month more in beta than we
> planned, but that time helped to eliminate many bugs, and many that had
> existed in previous PostgreSQL major releases as well.  We have had very
> few bug reports for 8.2.0, and will be doing a minor release in 1-2
> weeks to get those fixes out to the user community.

any chance of having the win32 relation file permission bug looked at again 
for the minor release? this still worries us quite a bit here...

best regards,
thomas

  3. Re: Release 8.2.0 done, 8.3 development starts

    Kaare Rasmussen <kaare@jasonic.dk> — 2006-12-20T16:49:15Z

    I'm not sure, but as far as I remember, it will be a short release cycle for 
8.3 in order to finish some big items that couldn't be ready in time for 8.2. 

But which items are more or less expected for 8.3? I recall
- Hierarchical Queries
- On disk bitmap index
- Clustered/replication solutions

being discussed. What are on people's minds?

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  4. Re: Release 8.2.0 done, 8.3 development starts

    Chris Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> — 2006-12-20T18:38:26Z

    kaare@jasonic.dk (Kaare Rasmussen) writes:

> I'm not sure, but as far as I remember, it will be a short release cycle for 
> 8.3 in order to finish some big items that couldn't be ready in time for 8.2. 
>
> But which items are more or less expected for 8.3? I recall
> - Hierarchical Queries
> - On disk bitmap index
> - Clustered/replication solutions
>
> being discussed. What are on people's minds?

- WITH (recursive) queries
- Better handling of partitioning
- SQL:2003 windowing queries
- Discussion is under way on improvements to autovac
- Simon Riggs has "reuse of index tuples" under way
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  5. Re: Release 8.2.0 done, 8.3 development starts

    David Fetter <david@fetter.org> — 2006-12-20T19:01:32Z

    On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 05:49:15PM +0100, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
> I'm not sure, but as far as I remember, it will be a short release
> cycle for 8.3 in order to finish some big items that couldn't be
> ready in time for 8.2. 
> 
> But which items are more or less expected for 8.3? I recall
> - Hierarchical Queries
> - On disk bitmap index

These two are happening

> - Clustered/replication solutions

This one's stalled because no two replication solutions appear to need
anything in the core.  Instead, lots of things are going on outside
the core in the clustering/replication/HA arena.

> being discussed. What are on people's minds?

Other things coming down the pike are:

* SQL/XML support per SQL:2003
* SQL/PSM support per SQL:2003

Hrm.  While two things isn't much of a pattern, it's suggestive.

Personally, I'd like to see MERGE, windowing functions, and better
integration of (INSERT|UPDATE|DELETE) ... RETURNING.

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  6. Re: Release 8.2.0 done, 8.3 development starts

    Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net> — 2006-12-20T19:15:43Z

    Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
> I'm not sure, but as far as I remember, it will be a short release cycle for 
> 8.3 in order to finish some big items that couldn't be ready in time for 8.2. 
>
> But which items are more or less expected for 8.3? I recall
> - Hierarchical Queries
> - On disk bitmap index
> - Clustered/replication solutions
>
> being discussed. What are on people's minds?
>
>   

Items on my personal agenda for this time frame - all have been 
previously discussed:

. notification payload messages
. fix permissions properly on custom GUC vars
. create a mechanism for plperl to load modules safely

I am committed to getting the first of these done to meet a businees 
need. The last two will be best effort.

cheers

andrew

  7. Re: Release 8.2.0 done, 8.3 development starts

    Lukas Kahwe Smith <smith@pooteeweet.org> — 2006-12-20T20:26:12Z

    Hi,

I just collected all the items mentioned in this thread as well as what 
people quickly came up with on IRC and put it on a list in the developer 
wiki [1]. I tried to put names and links behind the items where ever 
possible. Let me know if there is something missing or if you know any 
other information (links, names) etc. that should be mentioned.

The list is kinda scary long ..

regards
Lukas

[1] http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php/Todo:WishlistFor83

  8. Re: Release 8.2.0 done, 8.3 development starts

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2006-12-20T21:52:35Z

    Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just collected all the items mentioned in this thread as well as what 
> people quickly came up with on IRC and put it on a list in the developer 
> wiki [1]. I tried to put names and links behind the items where ever 
> possible. Let me know if there is something missing or if you know any 
> other information (links, names) etc. that should be mentioned.
> 
> The list is kinda scary long ..
> 
> regards
> Lukas
> 
> [1] http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php/Todo:WishlistFor83

That looks helpful.

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  9. Re: Release 8.2.0 done, 8.3 development starts

    Jonah H. Harris <jonah.harris@gmail.com> — 2006-12-20T22:50:13Z

    On 12/20/06, Lukas Kahwe Smith <smith@pooteeweet.org> wrote:
> wiki [1]. I tried to put names and links behind the items where ever
> possible. Let me know if there is something missing or if you know any
> other information (links, names) etc. that should be mentioned.

I know Mark Cave-Ayland was interested in taking over hierarchical
queries... let me see where he stands on it and whether he was going
to complete it on an 8.3 deadline.  If not, I'll do it.

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  10. Re: Release 8.2.0 done, 8.3 development starts

    Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to> — 2006-12-21T05:40:12Z

    On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 17:49:15 +0100,
  Kaare Rasmussen <kaare@jasonic.dk> wrote:
> I'm not sure, but as far as I remember, it will be a short release cycle for 
> 8.3 in order to finish some big items that couldn't be ready in time for 8.2. 

I believe the point of the short release cycle was more to change the timing
of the release to avoid lots of people being on holiday during a critical
period. After the short release cycle, the tentative plan was to go back to
yearly releases shifted a few months from where they typically used to
occur in the past.
Whether or not this actually works out, remains to be seen.

  11. Re: Release 8.2.0 done, 8.3 development starts

    Lukas Kahwe Smith <smith@pooteeweet.org> — 2006-12-21T16:33:14Z

    Bruce Momjian wrote:

>> [1] http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php/Todo:WishlistFor83
> 
> That looks helpful.

Ok good :)

Seriously though, please slap me when things are wrong, not assigned yet 
to the correct person .. there was a bit of guess work involved with 
some of the points .. especially with the names.

I will let things sit like they are for 1-2 weeks and I will probably 
try to get a hold off each of the people still assigned to items then to 
confirm that they are actually targeting the feature for 8.3 .. or am I 
duplicating Bruce's efforts when I do this?

regards,
Lukas

  12. Re: Release 8.2.0 done, 8.3 development starts

    Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net> — 2006-12-21T16:57:14Z

    Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
>>> [1] http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php/Todo:WishlistFor83
>>
>> That looks helpful.
>
> Ok good :)
>
> Seriously though, please slap me when things are wrong, not assigned 
> yet to the correct person .. there was a bit of guess work involved 
> with some of the points .. especially with the names.
>
> I will let things sit like they are for 1-2 weeks and I will probably 
> try to get a hold off each of the people still assigned to items then 
> to confirm that they are actually targeting the feature for 8.3 .. or 
> am I duplicating Bruce's efforts when I do this?
>
>


To the best of my understanding, the current PSM effort is a pgFoundry 
project to create it as a loadable language. I am not aware of anything 
that would get it to where we could include it in 8.3, so this item 
should probably not be on the list.

Also, "clustered/replication solutions" seems way too vague. It is not 
clear to me what if anything is in prospect on this front for 8.3.


cheers

andrew

  13. Re: Release 8.2.0 done, 8.3 development starts

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2006-12-21T22:11:54Z

    Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
> 
> >> [1] http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php/Todo:WishlistFor83
> > 
> > That looks helpful.
> 
> Ok good :)
> 
> Seriously though, please slap me when things are wrong, not assigned yet 
> to the correct person .. there was a bit of guess work involved with 
> some of the points .. especially with the names.
> 
> I will let things sit like they are for 1-2 weeks and I will probably 
> try to get a hold off each of the people still assigned to items then to 
> confirm that they are actually targeting the feature for 8.3 .. or am I 
> duplicating Bruce's efforts when I do this?

What I did for the 8.2 open items tracking during feature freeze was to
list the item description, status, and person's name and email in a
table that could be easily reviewed.  Let me know if you need help
setting that up.

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