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  1. Re: Pl/Tcl problem

    Ian Harding <ianh@tpchd.org> — 2001-12-17T16:51:29Z

    Oooooh.  Harsh.  I use tcl exclusively.  I have not had any problem and am keeping up with the latest versions of PostgreSQL.

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Maybe hardly anyone who uses tcl runs RedHat?  ;^)

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Ian A. Harding
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>>> Trond Eivind Glomsrød <teg@redhat.com> 12/15/01 09:17AM >>>
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> writes:

> But I'm not sure that this has anything to do with Alvaro's problem.
> The bogus choice of soname has doubtless been that way for awhile,
> and yet we've not had other complaints.

Biggest reason: Hardly anyone uses tcl.

We've shipped it that way, and there was one complaint month after we
shipped... Comparing that to feedback on other areas in the same
package, I just don't think the tcl functionality is used much. Tcl is
exactly all the rage anymore.

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  2. Re: Pl/Tcl problem

    Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> — 2001-12-17T17:19:40Z

    > Oooooh.  Harsh.  I use tcl exclusively.  I have not had any problem and am keeping up with the latest versions of PostgreSQL.
> 
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> 
> Maybe hardly anyone who uses tcl runs RedHat?  ;^)
> 
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If not Tcl/Tk, I was wondering what other scripting language people use
to write X apps?  Python?  Perl/Tk?  Hard to argue these are
particularly better than Tcl/Tk, especially for small apps.

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  3. Re: Pl/Tcl problem

    Trond Eivind Glomsrød <teg@redhat.com> — 2001-12-17T17:24:51Z

    Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:

> > Oooooh.  Harsh.  I use tcl exclusively.  I have not had any problem and am keeping up with the latest versions of PostgreSQL.
> > 
> > <comedy_not_invitation_to_flame>
> > 
> > Maybe hardly anyone who uses tcl runs RedHat?  ;^)
> > 
> > <\comedy_not_invitation_to_flame>
> 
> If not Tcl/Tk, I was wondering what other scripting language people use
> to write X apps?  Python?  Perl/Tk?  Hard to argue these are
> particularly better than Tcl/Tk, especially for small apps.

X? Python + glade is used a lot, Perl-GTK is also popular. Or you
write it in C or C++ (kde). Perhaps even java. I haven't seen much
use of tcl/tk for this in years. 

(FWIW, we had a few tcl/tk in Red Hat Linux a couple of years
ago. All the ones we made are gone, and the ones in most apps as well) 
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  4. Re: Pl/Tcl problem

    Darren Ferguson <darren@crystalballinc.com> — 2001-12-17T18:10:35Z

    It is everyone's choice and API.

I use the pltcl because i use tcl when using aolserver. It is very good
and i know a lot of other people who use the tcl api also.

However i am not taking anything away from perl,python and the other
languages because they are all good in their own way

My 2 cents

Darren


Darren Ferguson
Software Engineer
Openband

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> > Oooooh.  Harsh.  I use tcl exclusively.  I have not had any problem and am keeping up with the latest versions of PostgreSQL.
> > 
> > <comedy_not_invitation_to_flame>
> > 
> > Maybe hardly anyone who uses tcl runs RedHat?  ;^)
> > 
> > <\comedy_not_invitation_to_flame>
> 
> If not Tcl/Tk, I was wondering what other scripting language people use
> to write X apps?  Python?  Perl/Tk?  Hard to argue these are
> particularly better than Tcl/Tk, especially for small apps.
> 
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  5. Re: Pl/Tcl problem

    Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org> — 2001-12-17T19:00:27Z

    On Monday 17 December 2001 12:24 pm, Trond Eivind Glomsrød wrote:
> (FWIW, we had a few tcl/tk in Red Hat Linux a couple of years
> ago. All the ones we made are gone, and the ones in most apps as well)

The tcl/tk configuration apps.... Ugh.

Well, in any case, there is a problem with the pl/tcl build.  The 
/usr/lib/tclConfig.sh on RH 7.2 defines:
# Base command to use for combining object files into a shared library:
TCL_SHLIB_LD='gcc -pipe -shared -Wl,-soname,libtcl.so.0'

So this is where it comes from.  Now, why does it work with a non-RPM 
installation?

A patch is in order --but to what?  Hmmm.....
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  6. Re: Pl/Tcl problem

    Trond Eivind Glomsrød <teg@redhat.com> — 2001-12-17T19:06:26Z

    On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Lamar Owen wrote:

> On Monday 17 December 2001 12:24 pm, Trond Eivind Glomsrød wrote:
> > (FWIW, we had a few tcl/tk in Red Hat Linux a couple of years
> > ago. All the ones we made are gone, and the ones in most apps as well)
> 
> The tcl/tk configuration apps.... Ugh.
> 
> Well, in any case, there is a problem with the pl/tcl build.  The 
> /usr/lib/tclConfig.sh on RH 7.2 defines:
> # Base command to use for combining object files into a shared library:
> TCL_SHLIB_LD='gcc -pipe -shared -Wl,-soname,libtcl.so.0'

That's for building libtcl. Not for building other libraries - they should 
obviously have a different soname.

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Trond Eivind Glomsrød
Red Hat, Inc.

  7. Re: Pl/Tcl problem

    Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@atentus.com> — 2001-12-22T02:15:58Z

    On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Lamar Owen wrote:

> On Monday 17 December 2001 12:24 pm, Trond Eivind Glomsrød wrote:
> > (FWIW, we had a few tcl/tk in Red Hat Linux a couple of years
> > ago. All the ones we made are gone, and the ones in most apps as well)
>
> The tcl/tk configuration apps.... Ugh.
>
> Well, in any case, there is a problem with the pl/tcl build.  The
> /usr/lib/tclConfig.sh on RH 7.2 defines:
> # Base command to use for combining object files into a shared library:
> TCL_SHLIB_LD='gcc -pipe -shared -Wl,-soname,libtcl.so.0'
>
> So this is where it comes from.  Now, why does it work with a non-RPM
> installation?

I compiled it on a non-RedHat installation and then copied the file.
There was too much trouble involved in compiling directly in the RH
server, so I used my own workstation instead. I don't know if it works
compiling on RedHat.


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