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  1. Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Jean-Baptiste Quenot <jbq@caraldi.com> — 2012-02-10T16:44:15Z

    Dear hackers,

Thanks for the work on PLPython result metadata, it is very useful!  I
just came across a crash when trying to access this metadata on the
result of an UPDATE, which obviously cannot return any tuple (unless
you specify a RETURNING clause maybe?).

Please find attached a patch that solves this issue.  Instead of a PG
crash, we get the following message:

ERROR:  plpy.Error: no result fetched

All the best,
-- 
Jean-Baptiste Quenot

  2. Re: Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> — 2012-02-24T19:27:24Z

    On fre, 2012-02-10 at 17:44 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Quenot wrote:
> Thanks for the work on PLPython result metadata, it is very useful!  I
> just came across a crash when trying to access this metadata on the
> result of an UPDATE, which obviously cannot return any tuple (unless
> you specify a RETURNING clause maybe?).
> 
> Please find attached a patch that solves this issue.  Instead of a PG
> crash, we get the following message:
> 
> ERROR:  plpy.Error: no result fetched

Hmm, should it be an error or just return None?  Python DB-API
cursor.description returns None if no result set was returned.

  3. Re: Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Jean-Baptiste Quenot <jbq@caraldi.com> — 2012-02-25T17:03:27Z

    2012/2/24 Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>:
> On fre, 2012-02-10 at 17:44 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Quenot wrote:
>>
>> Please find attached a patch that solves this issue.  Instead of a PG
>> crash, we get the following message:
>>
>> ERROR:  plpy.Error: no result fetched
>
> Hmm, should it be an error or just return None?  Python DB-API
> cursor.description returns None if no result set was returned.

IMO raising an error is much better because:

1) It is not a valid usecase to retrieve result metadata when no rows
are expected to be returned

2) The various metadata methods return a sequence.  Checking for null
value in this case is not a very good programming style.  I expect to
find an empty list when no data is available.

Cheers,
-- 
Jean-Baptiste Quenot

  4. Re: Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> — 2012-03-07T20:47:22Z

    On lör, 2012-02-25 at 18:03 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Quenot wrote:
> IMO raising an error is much better because:
> 
> 1) It is not a valid usecase to retrieve result metadata when no rows
> are expected to be returned

Which led me to think, how are you actually expected to know when no
rows are expected to be returned, in PL/Python?  You can look at
result.status(), which returns a numeric SPI status, but that seems
fragile.  I notice that result.nrows() returns None when no rows are
returned.  Is that good enough?  In that case, we should document that
and then make the new functions throw exceptions like you suggest.

  5. Re: Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2012-03-07T20:59:40Z

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes:
> On lr, 2012-02-25 at 18:03 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Quenot wrote:
>> IMO raising an error is much better because:
>> 1) It is not a valid usecase to retrieve result metadata when no rows
>> are expected to be returned

> Which led me to think, how are you actually expected to know when no
> rows are expected to be returned, in PL/Python?  You can look at
> result.status(), which returns a numeric SPI status, but that seems
> fragile.  I notice that result.nrows() returns None when no rows are
> returned.  Is that good enough?  In that case, we should document that
> and then make the new functions throw exceptions like you suggest.

Wait a minute ... I don't understand why that's not a valid use-case.
I have seen more than one piece of code that does a SELECT ... LIMIT 0
or equivalent for the express purpose of finding out the rowtype
produced by a particular query.  Why would we make it impossible to do
that in pl/python?  Or are we talking about two different things?

			regards, tom lane

  6. Re: Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> — 2012-03-07T21:43:10Z

    On ons, 2012-03-07 at 15:59 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> > Which led me to think, how are you actually expected to know when no
> > rows are expected to be returned, in PL/Python?  You can look at
> > result.status(), which returns a numeric SPI status, but that seems
> > fragile.  I notice that result.nrows() returns None when no rows are
> > returned.  Is that good enough?  In that case, we should document that
> > and then make the new functions throw exceptions like you suggest.
> 
> Wait a minute ... I don't understand why that's not a valid use-case.
> I have seen more than one piece of code that does a SELECT ... LIMIT 0
> or equivalent for the express purpose of finding out the rowtype
> produced by a particular query.  Why would we make it impossible to do
> that in pl/python?  Or are we talking about two different things?
> 
I think so.  I'm wondering here how to detect whether the execution of a
statement has yielded a result set at all.  (For example, you ran SELECT
or INSERT ... RETURNING, versus CREATE TABLE or VACUUM.)

  7. Re: Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2012-03-07T21:49:18Z

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes:
> On ons, 2012-03-07 at 15:59 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
>> Or are we talking about two different things?

> I think so.  I'm wondering here how to detect whether the execution of a
> statement has yielded a result set at all.  (For example, you ran SELECT
> or INSERT ... RETURNING, versus CREATE TABLE or VACUUM.)

Got it.  I agree that throwing an error for resultset property inquiries
is reasonable in such cases, as long as there is some non-error-throwing
way to test whether a resultset was returned or not.

Still, it seems rather arbitrary to say that the row count property is
the thing to test for that purpose and no other is.  Why not return None
for any property that's not sensible?

			regards, tom lane

  8. Re: Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> — 2012-03-07T21:59:46Z

    On ons, 2012-03-07 at 16:49 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes:
> > On ons, 2012-03-07 at 15:59 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> >> Or are we talking about two different things?
> 
> > I think so.  I'm wondering here how to detect whether the execution of a
> > statement has yielded a result set at all.  (For example, you ran SELECT
> > or INSERT ... RETURNING, versus CREATE TABLE or VACUUM.)
> 
> Got it.  I agree that throwing an error for resultset property inquiries
> is reasonable in such cases, as long as there is some non-error-throwing
> way to test whether a resultset was returned or not.

Well, that's the question.  The only two ways currently to find out
whether a result set was returned is by looking at .nrows(), which I
think works by accident, or at .status(), which is the SPI status code,
and that's quite cumbersome.

> Still, it seems rather arbitrary to say that the row count property is
> the thing to test for that purpose and no other is.  Why not return None
> for any property that's not sensible?

Hmm, above you said you were in favor of throwing an error rather than
returning None?

  9. Re: Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2012-03-07T22:14:02Z

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes:
> On ons, 2012-03-07 at 16:49 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
>> Still, it seems rather arbitrary to say that the row count property is
>> the thing to test for that purpose and no other is.  Why not return None
>> for any property that's not sensible?

> Hmm, above you said you were in favor of throwing an error rather than
> returning None?

I said it was a reasonable alternative, not that it was the only one
we should consider.  The behavior of .nrows() might be accidental,
but perhaps it is a preferable model to adopt.

			regards, tom lane

  10. Re: Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> — 2012-03-24T18:48:06Z

    On ons, 2012-03-07 at 17:14 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes:
> > On ons, 2012-03-07 at 16:49 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> >> Still, it seems rather arbitrary to say that the row count property is
> >> the thing to test for that purpose and no other is.  Why not return None
> >> for any property that's not sensible?
> 
> > Hmm, above you said you were in favor of throwing an error rather than
> > returning None?
> 
> I said it was a reasonable alternative, not that it was the only one
> we should consider.  The behavior of .nrows() might be accidental,
> but perhaps it is a preferable model to adopt.

It turns out I was mistaken about the .nrows() behavior.  It returns 0
even for utility commands, because the value comes straight from
SPI_processed.  But SPI_processed is a C variable, which can't have a
"not applicable" value, so that doesn't necessarily mean other languages
can't handle this differently.

After pondering this for several days now I still think the best
approach is to change .nrows() to return None for utility commands and
have the other metadata functions throw exceptions.  Then the
programming style would be "if there are rows, give me metadata about
them".

The alternative would be to introduce another function "has_rows" or
something, but then how would that be more intuitive than saying
"nrows() is not None"?

  11. Re: Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2012-03-24T20:24:29Z

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes:
> On ons, 2012-03-07 at 17:14 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
>> I said it was a reasonable alternative, not that it was the only one
>> we should consider.  The behavior of .nrows() might be accidental,
>> but perhaps it is a preferable model to adopt.

> After pondering this for several days now I still think the best
> approach is to change .nrows() to return None for utility commands and
> have the other metadata functions throw exceptions.

OK, I don't have strong feelings about it.

			regards, tom lane

  12. Re: Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> — 2012-04-05T17:33:25Z

    On lör, 2012-03-24 at 16:24 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes:
> > On ons, 2012-03-07 at 17:14 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> >> I said it was a reasonable alternative, not that it was the only one
> >> we should consider.  The behavior of .nrows() might be accidental,
> >> but perhaps it is a preferable model to adopt.
> 
> > After pondering this for several days now I still think the best
> > approach is to change .nrows() to return None for utility commands and
> > have the other metadata functions throw exceptions.
> 
> OK, I don't have strong feelings about it.

Well, scratch that.

This whole area is sloppily documented.  resultset.nrows() returns
SPI_processed, which is the number of rows, er, processed by the
statement, which may or may not be the number of rows returned.  So a
statement that returns no result set could very well have nrows() > 0.

The number of rows returned can be obtained by using len(resultset) (not
documented, but one could perhaps guess it).  But len() cannot return
None, so we cannot use that as a marker.

The alternatives are now to introduce a new function like has_rows()
that returns True iff result rows exist and therefore result metadata
can be fetched, or go back to having coltypes() et al. return None when
no metadata exists.  I'm in favor of the latter, because the former
would add somewhat needless complications and doesn't really add any
robustness or the like.

  13. Re: Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Jean-Baptiste Quenot <jbq@caraldi.com> — 2012-04-05T17:49:44Z

    2012/4/5 Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>

> On lör, 2012-03-24 at 16:24 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> > Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes:
> > > On ons, 2012-03-07 at 17:14 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> > >> I said it was a reasonable alternative, not that it was the only one
> > >> we should consider.  The behavior of .nrows() might be accidental,
> > >> but perhaps it is a preferable model to adopt.
> >
> > > After pondering this for several days now I still think the best
> > > approach is to change .nrows() to return None for utility commands and
> > > have the other metadata functions throw exceptions.
> >
> > OK, I don't have strong feelings about it.
>
> Well, scratch that.
>
> This whole area is sloppily documented.  resultset.nrows() returns
> SPI_processed, which is the number of rows, er, processed by the
> statement, which may or may not be the number of rows returned.  So a
> statement that returns no result set could very well have nrows() > 0.
>
> The number of rows returned can be obtained by using len(resultset) (not
> documented, but one could perhaps guess it).  But len() cannot return
> None, so we cannot use that as a marker.
>
> The alternatives are now to introduce a new function like has_rows()
> that returns True iff result rows exist and therefore result metadata
> can be fetched, or go back to having coltypes() et al. return None when
> no metadata exists.  I'm in favor of the latter, because the former
> would add somewhat needless complications and doesn't really add any
> robustness or the like.
>

I consider that this is an error to request metadata when the query does
not return some.  For example: "UPDATE mytable SET value = 1" does not
return column metadata, so user is not supposed to col coltypes().  That's
why I propose to return an error.  coltypes() is supposed to return a
sequence, not None.  Checking for None is a bad coding practise IMO,
especially when dealing with lists.

But anyway, returning None or raising an error is still much better than
crashing :-)

Cheers,
-- 
Jean-Baptiste Quenot

  14. Re: Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2012-04-05T17:54:39Z

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes:
> The alternatives are now to introduce a new function like has_rows()
> that returns True iff result rows exist and therefore result metadata
> can be fetched, or go back to having coltypes() et al. return None when
> no metadata exists.  I'm in favor of the latter, because the former
> would add somewhat needless complications and doesn't really add any
> robustness or the like.

Seems sensible to me.

We had better also document what nrows() really does.  Should we also
introduce a new function that is "number of rows in the resultset",
rather than depending on len()?  I think it might be useful, or at least
consistent, to have a function defined as "number of rows, or None if
the resultset does not contain rows".  In particular, I think it is
important to be able to distinguish between a command result (which
cannot possibly contain rows) and a query result that happens to contain
zero rows.

			regards, tom lane

  15. Re: Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> — 2012-04-07T17:27:12Z

    On tor, 2012-04-05 at 19:49 +0200, Jean-Baptiste Quenot wrote:
> I consider that this is an error to request metadata when the query does
> not return some.  For example: "UPDATE mytable SET value = 1" does not
> return column metadata, so user is not supposed to col coltypes().  That's
> why I propose to return an error.  coltypes() is supposed to return a
> sequence, not None.  Checking for None is a bad coding practise IMO,
> especially when dealing with lists. 

What would you suggest instead then?

  16. Re: Fix PL/Python metadata when there is no result

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> — 2012-04-15T17:27:06Z

    On fre, 2012-02-10 at 17:44 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Quenot wrote:
> Dear hackers,
> 
> Thanks for the work on PLPython result metadata, it is very useful!  I
> just came across a crash when trying to access this metadata on the
> result of an UPDATE, which obviously cannot return any tuple (unless
> you specify a RETURNING clause maybe?).
> 
> Please find attached a patch that solves this issue.  Instead of a PG
> crash, we get the following message:
> 
> ERROR:  plpy.Error: no result fetched

After much soul-searched about the API I have now committed your fix
that throws the exception.  Thanks.