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  1. What does this configure warning mean?

    Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> — 2009-10-14T18:02:45Z

    When I run ./configure, I get

(...warning..)
(If you are using the official distribution of PostgreSQL then you do
not need to worry about this because the Flex output is pre-generated.)

Well, I am am using the official distribution of PostreSQL and the
output is not pre-generated. Clearly this message only comes when you
build Postgres from source, in which case the output cannot be
pre-generated (can it?). 

It seems like a very strange warning to me.

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  2. Re: What does this configure warning mean?

    Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> — 2009-10-14T18:06:26Z

    Simon Riggs wrote:
> 
> When I run ./configure, I get
> 
> (...warning..)
> (If you are using the official distribution of PostgreSQL then you do
> not need to worry about this because the Flex output is pre-generated.)
> 
> Well, I am am using the official distribution of PostreSQL and the
> output is not pre-generated. Clearly this message only comes when you
> build Postgres from source, in which case the output cannot be
> pre-generated (can it?). 

I take it "official distribution" means "tarball" as different from a
copy obtained thru CVS.

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  3. Re: What does this configure warning mean?

    Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2009-10-14T18:11:36Z

    Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com> writes:
> When I run ./configure, I get

> (If you are using the official distribution of PostgreSQL then you do
> not need to worry about this because the Flex output is pre-generated.)

> Well, I am am using the official distribution of PostreSQL and the
> output is not pre-generated.

"Official distribution" means a tarball, not a CVS pull.  The message is
correct but perhaps could be reworded a bit.

			regards, tom lane

  4. Re: What does this configure warning mean?

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> — 2009-10-14T21:26:51Z

    On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 15:06 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Simon Riggs wrote:
> > 
> > When I run ./configure, I get
> > 
> > (...warning..)
> > (If you are using the official distribution of PostgreSQL then you do
> > not need to worry about this because the Flex output is pre-generated.)
> > 
> > Well, I am am using the official distribution of PostreSQL and the
> > output is not pre-generated. Clearly this message only comes when you
> > build Postgres from source, in which case the output cannot be
> > pre-generated (can it?). 
> 
> I take it "official distribution" means "tarball" as different from a
> copy obtained thru CVS.

Maybe "If you are using an official release tarball of PostgreSQL", or
"an official release source code archive of PostgreSQL" if we want to
avoid the term "tarball".

  5. Re: What does this configure warning mean?

    Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2009-10-14T22:37:32Z

    Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes:
> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 15:06 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>> I take it "official distribution" means "tarball" as different from a
>> copy obtained thru CVS.

> Maybe "If you are using an official release tarball of PostgreSQL", or
> "an official release source code archive of PostgreSQL" if we want to
> avoid the term "tarball".

How about "officially released copy"?  I agree that "tarball" isn't going
to do here because some people won't understand it, but "source code
archive" is just going to annoy the hackers and probably still confuse
those who don't know "tarball".

			regards, tom lane

  6. Re: What does this configure warning mean?

    Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> — 2009-10-14T22:48:23Z

    On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 00:26 +0300, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 15:06 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> > Simon Riggs wrote:
> > > 
> > > When I run ./configure, I get
> > > 
> > > (...warning..)
> > > (If you are using the official distribution of PostgreSQL then you do
> > > not need to worry about this because the Flex output is pre-generated.)
> > > 
> > > Well, I am am using the official distribution of PostreSQL and the
> > > output is not pre-generated. Clearly this message only comes when you
> > > build Postgres from source, in which case the output cannot be
> > > pre-generated (can it?). 
> > 
> > I take it "official distribution" means "tarball" as different from a
> > copy obtained thru CVS.
> 
> Maybe "If you are using an official release tarball of PostgreSQL", or
> "an official release source code archive of PostgreSQL" if we want to
> avoid the term "tarball".

Something like...

If you have downloaded a full copy of the source then....
If you are building from a repository checkout ...

We don't need to use the word tarball, but we do need to say what we
mean. Anyway, its a seldom-used error message and I wouldn't have hit it
if my laptop hadn't needed recovery.

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  7. Re: What does this configure warning mean?

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-22T18:01:26Z

    Simon Riggs wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 00:26 +0300, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> > On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 15:06 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> > > Simon Riggs wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > When I run ./configure, I get
> > > > 
> > > > (...warning..)
> > > > (If you are using the official distribution of PostgreSQL then you do
> > > > not need to worry about this because the Flex output is pre-generated.)
> > > > 
> > > > Well, I am am using the official distribution of PostreSQL and the
> > > > output is not pre-generated. Clearly this message only comes when you
> > > > build Postgres from source, in which case the output cannot be
> > > > pre-generated (can it?). 
> > > 
> > > I take it "official distribution" means "tarball" as different from a
> > > copy obtained thru CVS.
> > 
> > Maybe "If you are using an official release tarball of PostgreSQL", or
> > "an official release source code archive of PostgreSQL" if we want to
> > avoid the term "tarball".
> 
> Something like...
> 
> If you have downloaded a full copy of the source then....
> If you are building from a repository checkout ...
> 
> We don't need to use the word tarball, but we do need to say what we
> mean. Anyway, its a seldom-used error message and I wouldn't have hit it
> if my laptop hadn't needed recovery.

With the attached patch, I have updated the message to use the wording
"bundled distribution".  I think the point about the snapshot tarballs
and official releases is that they are "bundled" rather than pulled via
CVS.

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  8. Re: What does this configure warning mean?

    Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> — 2010-02-22T18:13:21Z

    Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Simon Riggs wrote:

> > If you have downloaded a full copy of the source then....
> > If you are building from a repository checkout ...
> > 
> > We don't need to use the word tarball, but we do need to say what we
> > mean. Anyway, its a seldom-used error message and I wouldn't have hit it
> > if my laptop hadn't needed recovery.
> 
> With the attached patch, I have updated the message to use the wording
> "bundled distribution".  I think the point about the snapshot tarballs
> and official releases is that they are "bundled" rather than pulled via
> CVS.

That's too subtle.  I wouldn't figure out what it means if my life
depended on it (then again, it doesn't).

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  9. Re: What does this configure warning mean?

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-22T18:14:51Z

    Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > Simon Riggs wrote:
> 
> > > If you have downloaded a full copy of the source then....
> > > If you are building from a repository checkout ...
> > > 
> > > We don't need to use the word tarball, but we do need to say what we
> > > mean. Anyway, its a seldom-used error message and I wouldn't have hit it
> > > if my laptop hadn't needed recovery.
> > 
> > With the attached patch, I have updated the message to use the wording
> > "bundled distribution".  I think the point about the snapshot tarballs
> > and official releases is that they are "bundled" rather than pulled via
> > CVS.
> 
> That's too subtle.  I wouldn't figure out what it means if my life
> depended on it (then again, it doesn't).

Well, "official" made no sense.  Bundled seemed similar enough to
"tarball".  What suggestion do you have?

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  10. Re: What does this configure warning mean?

    Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> — 2010-02-22T19:00:50Z

    Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Alvaro Herrera wrote:

> > That's too subtle.  I wouldn't figure out what it means if my life
> > depended on it (then again, it doesn't).
> 
> Well, "official" made no sense.  Bundled seemed similar enough to
> "tarball".  What suggestion do you have?

"tarball" ?

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  11. Re: What does this configure warning mean?

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-22T19:48:19Z

    Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> 
> > > That's too subtle.  I wouldn't figure out what it means if my life
> > > depended on it (then again, it doesn't).
> > 
> > Well, "official" made no sense.  Bundled seemed similar enough to
> > "tarball".  What suggestion do you have?
> 
> "tarball" ?

I thought "tarball" was rejected in the discussion:

	http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2009-10/msg00832.php

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  12. Re: What does this configure warning mean?

    Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2010-02-22T20:30:48Z

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes:
> Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>> Bruce Momjian wrote:
>>> With the attached patch, I have updated the message to use the wording
>>> "bundled distribution".  I think the point about the snapshot tarballs
>>> and official releases is that they are "bundled" rather than pulled via
>>> CVS.
>> 
>> That's too subtle.  I wouldn't figure out what it means if my life
>> depended on it (then again, it doesn't).

> Well, "official" made no sense.  Bundled seemed similar enough to
> "tarball".  What suggestion do you have?

I think "bundled" is a completely unhelpful choice of word.  The natural
response to reading that will be "bundled with what?".  We've been using
the phraseology "official distribution" for years and only one person
has expressed any confusion, so I do not think you have improved
matters.

			regards, tom lane

  13. Re: What does this configure warning mean?

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-22T20:33:04Z

    Tom Lane wrote:
> Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes:
> > Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> >> Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >>> With the attached patch, I have updated the message to use the wording
> >>> "bundled distribution".  I think the point about the snapshot tarballs
> >>> and official releases is that they are "bundled" rather than pulled via
> >>> CVS.
> >> 
> >> That's too subtle.  I wouldn't figure out what it means if my life
> >> depended on it (then again, it doesn't).
> 
> > Well, "official" made no sense.  Bundled seemed similar enough to
> > "tarball".  What suggestion do you have?
> 
> I think "bundled" is a completely unhelpful choice of word.  The natural
> response to reading that will be "bundled with what?".  We've been using
> the phraseology "official distribution" for years and only one person
> has expressed any confusion, so I do not think you have improved
> matters.

The term has to cover not only official releases but the snapshot files
we create.  Can't anyone come up with a term for this?

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  14. Re: What does this configure warning mean?

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-22T20:33:38Z

    Tom Lane wrote:
> Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes:
> > Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> >> Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >>> With the attached patch, I have updated the message to use the wording
> >>> "bundled distribution".  I think the point about the snapshot tarballs
> >>> and official releases is that they are "bundled" rather than pulled via
> >>> CVS.
> >> 
> >> That's too subtle.  I wouldn't figure out what it means if my life
> >> depended on it (then again, it doesn't).
> 
> > Well, "official" made no sense.  Bundled seemed similar enough to
> > "tarball".  What suggestion do you have?
> 
> I think "bundled" is a completely unhelpful choice of word.  The natural
> response to reading that will be "bundled with what?".  We've been using
> the phraseology "official distribution" for years and only one person
> has expressed any confusion, so I do not think you have improved
> matters.

Should we just go ahead and say official releases and daily snapshots?

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  15. Re: What does this configure warning mean?

    Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> — 2010-02-22T21:08:30Z

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes:
> Should we just go ahead and say official releases and daily snapshots?

Please just revert the patch.

			regards, tom lane

  16. Re: What does this configure warning mean?

    Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> — 2010-02-22T21:17:04Z

    Tom Lane wrote:
> Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes:
> > Should we just go ahead and say official releases and daily snapshots?
> 
> Please just revert the patch.

So much for my trying to improve things.  Reverted.

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