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Re: More Red Hat information
webb sprague <wsprague@o1.com> — 2001-06-25T13:51:13Z
I guess I prefer my free software free... On Monday 25 June 2001 12:19, Gunnar Rønning wrote: > * David Wheeler <David@Wheeler.net> wrote: > | > http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/ > | > | $2225 ???? Are they *kidding*??? > > Too cheap for you ? try Oracle pay more - get less ;-) > > Sorry couldn't resist.
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More Red Hat information
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> — 2001-06-25T14:35:53Z
Here is a link with more information than the press release: http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/ -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000 + If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026
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Re: More Red Hat information
David Wheeler <david@wheeler.net> — 2001-06-25T15:57:17Z
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Here is a link with more information than the press release: > > http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/ $2225 ???? Are they *kidding*??? David -- David Wheeler AIM: dwTheory David@Wheeler.net ICQ: 15726394 Yahoo!: dew7e Jabber: Theory@jabber.org -
Re: More Red Hat information
Gunnar Rønning <gunnar@polygnosis.com> — 2001-06-25T16:19:29Z
* David Wheeler <David@Wheeler.net> wrote: | > | > http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/ | | $2225 ???? Are they *kidding*??? | Too cheap for you ? try Oracle pay more - get less ;-) Sorry couldn't resist. -- Gunnar Rønning - gunnar@polygnosis.com Senior Consultant, Polygnosis AS, http://www.polygnosis.com/
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Re: More Red Hat information
Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> — 2001-06-25T17:20:43Z
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, webb sprague wrote: > I guess I prefer my free software free... Agreed, but alot of companies want to be able to point a finger at someone or some company when something goes awry. With RH being the first to put out PostgreSQL with an operating system that I would assume was fine tuned for best performance by those that know the OS very well and possibly even include some tools along with it, I'd think their offering would be well received in the small to medium sized business community. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== -
Re: More Red Hat information
Gregory Wood <gregw@com-stock.com> — 2001-06-25T17:34:37Z
Then keep using it free. And the people whose management can't fathom the idea of using a serious application without an expensive support contract to fall back on might finally be interested in PostgreSQL. I can't see this as anything but win-win... Greg > I guess I prefer my free software free... > > > > On Monday 25 June 2001 12:19, Gunnar Rønning wrote: > > * David Wheeler <David@Wheeler.net> wrote: > > | > http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/ > > | > > | $2225 ???? Are they *kidding*??? > > > > Too cheap for you ? try Oracle pay more - get less ;-) > > > > Sorry couldn't resist.
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Re: More Red Hat information
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> — 2001-06-25T18:52:37Z
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, webb sprague wrote: > > > I guess I prefer my free software free... > > Agreed, but alot of companies want to be able to point a finger at > someone or some company when something goes awry. With RH being > the first to put out PostgreSQL with an operating system that I would > assume was fine tuned for best performance by those that know the > OS very well and possibly even include some tools along with it, I'd > think their offering would be well received in the small to medium > sized business community. Heck, I pay ~400/year for BSD/OS support on my home machine because when I have a complex problem, I need someone to concentrate on getting it solved, so commerical support isn't just for finger-pointing. The $400/year has been worth it for me so I suspect there are PostgreSQL users that need such support too. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000 + If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026
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Re: More Red Hat information
Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> — 2001-06-25T19:13:46Z
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, webb sprague wrote: > > > > > I guess I prefer my free software free... > > > > Agreed, but alot of companies want to be able to point a finger at > > someone or some company when something goes awry. With RH being > > the first to put out PostgreSQL with an operating system that I would > > assume was fine tuned for best performance by those that know the > > OS very well and possibly even include some tools along with it, I'd > > think their offering would be well received in the small to medium > > sized business community. > > Heck, I pay ~400/year for BSD/OS support on my home machine because when > I have a complex problem, I need someone to concentrate on getting it > solved, so commerical support isn't just for finger-pointing. > > The $400/year has been worth it for me so I suspect there are PostgreSQL > users that need such support too. I didn't mean someone to blame, I meant someone to call. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== -
Re: More Red Hat information
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> — 2001-06-25T19:15:47Z
> > Heck, I pay ~400/year for BSD/OS support on my home machine because when > > I have a complex problem, I need someone to concentrate on getting it > > solved, so commerical support isn't just for finger-pointing. > > > > The $400/year has been worth it for me so I suspect there are PostgreSQL > > users that need such support too. > > I didn't mean someone to blame, I meant someone to call. Oh, yea, that too. :-) -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000 + If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026
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Re: More Red Hat information
Gunnar Rønning <gunnar@polygnosis.com> — 2001-06-26T12:52:50Z
* webb sprague <wsprague@o1.com> wrote: | | I guess I prefer my free software free... | Yes I do as well, but this only increases your freedom of choice. IMHO that is what free software really is about, and not the fact that you also can download it gratis. -- Gunnar Rønning - gunnar@polygnosis.com Senior Consultant, Polygnosis AS, http://www.polygnosis.com/
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Re: More Red Hat information
Matthias Urlichs <smurf@noris.de> — 2001-06-26T14:13:35Z
At 8:57 -0700 2001-06-25, David Wheeler wrote: >On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote: > >> Here is a link with more information than the press release: >> >> http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/ > >$2225 ???? Are they *kidding*??? If they really deliver, i.e. you get reasonable phone+email support from people who can actually _do_something_ instead of giving you the runaround (phoned M$ tech support lately with a _real_ bug report? *), it's cheap as dirt as databases go. *: Oops, sorry, of course M$ doesn't have bugs. They might have "issues". Or "features". -- Matthias Urlichs
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Re: More Red Hat information
David Wheeler <david@wheeler.net> — 2001-06-26T14:41:29Z
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > At 8:57 -0700 2001-06-25, David Wheeler wrote: > >On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > >> Here is a link with more information than the press release: > >> > >> http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/ > > > >$2225 ???? Are they *kidding*??? > > If they really deliver, i.e. you get reasonable phone+email support > from people who can actually _do_something_ instead of giving you the > runaround (phoned M$ tech support lately with a _real_ bug report? > *), it's cheap as dirt as databases go. M$ is a good example, as their database is quite capable, and costs only a few hundred bucks (last time I looked). If RedHat DB is three times the price, IME many PHBs will go with SQL Server, instead, just because it's cheaper, and they know the Microsoft name (and FUD). David -- David Wheeler AIM: dwTheory David@Wheeler.net ICQ: 15726394 Yahoo!: dew7e Jabber: Theory@jabber.org -
Re: More Red Hat information
Eric G. Miller <egm2@jps.net> — 2001-06-26T15:38:11Z
On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 07:41:29AM -0700, David Wheeler wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > > At 8:57 -0700 2001-06-25, David Wheeler wrote: > > >On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > >> Here is a link with more information than the press release: > > >> > > >> http://www.redhat.com/products/software/database/ > > > > > >$2225 ???? Are they *kidding*??? > > > > If they really deliver, i.e. you get reasonable phone+email support > > from people who can actually _do_something_ instead of giving you the > > runaround (phoned M$ tech support lately with a _real_ bug report? > > *), it's cheap as dirt as databases go. > > M$ is a good example, as their database is quite capable, and costs only a > few hundred bucks (last time I looked). If RedHat DB is three times the > price, IME many PHBs will go with SQL Server, instead, just because it's > cheaper, and they know the Microsoft name (and FUD). Try about $5000 for about 30 people. They're now doing a per cpu pricing thing, so it depends how many users and/or how many cpu's (I think for per-user licensing stops at 20 or 25, then you must switch to the per cpu licensing). Unless you were talking about Access? -- Eric G. Miller <egm2@jps.net>
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Re: More Red Hat information
Bryan White <bryan@arcamax.com> — 2001-06-26T16:10:11Z
> M$ is a good example, as their database is quite capable, and costs only a > few hundred bucks (last time I looked). If RedHat DB is three times the > price, IME many PHBs will go with SQL Server, instead, just because it's > cheaper, and they know the Microsoft name (and FUD). FYI: Current SQL Server 2000 Prices on Output.com $4,800 Std. Ed. (1 Processor License) $2,119 Std. Ed. (10 Device Licenses) $859 Ent. Ed. (10 Clients) Academic Version $6,100 Ent. Ed. (25 Clients) Academic Version $1,429 Std. Ed. (5 Device Licenses) $709 Std. Ed. (5 Device Licenses) Competitive/Version Upgrade $10,660 Ent. Ed. (25 Device Licenses) $19,250 Ent. Ed. (Upgrade With 1 Processor License) I have no idea what a "Device License" is but it looks like the cheapest route (excluding accedemic and upgrade versions) is $1429. That problably does not include much in the way of support, only runs on Win2K which will cost you a few hundred dollars more and if your site is of any size the 5 device limit may be a problem.
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Re: More Red Hat information
Matthias Urlichs <smurf@noris.de> — 2001-06-26T17:54:11Z
Hi, David Wheeler: > M$ is a good example, as their database is quite capable, and costs only a > few hundred bucks (last time I looked). If RedHat DB is three times the > price, IME many PHBs will go with SQL Server, instead, just because it's > cheaper, and they know the Microsoft name (and FUD). > RHDB has a price tag of zero if all you need is the database. This is not what I was talking about, though. -- Matthias Urlichs | noris network AG | http://smurf.noris.de/