Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS)

On 06/18/2018 10:52 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
> Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> writes:
>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:12 AM, Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com> wrote:
>>> Not necessarily. Our pages probably have enough predictable bytes to aid
>>> cryptanalysis, compared to user data in a column which might not be very
>>> predicable.
> 
>> Really?  I would guess that the amount of entropy in a page is WAY
>> higher than in an individual column value.
> 
> Depending on the specifics of the encryption scheme, having some amount
> of known (or guessable) plaintext may allow breaking the cipher, even
> if much of the plaintext is not known.  This is cryptology 101, really.

Exactly

> At the same time, having to have a bunch of independently-decipherable
> short field values is not real secure either, especially if they're known
> to all be encrypted with the same key.  But what you know or can guess
> about the plaintext in such cases would be target-specific, rather than
> an attack that could be built once and used against any PG database.

Again is dependent on the specific solution for encryption. In some
cases you might do something like generate a single use random key,
encrypt the payload with that, encrypt the single use key with the
"global" key, append the two results and store.

Joe

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